Paladins OP? Not in my World of Warcraft

[Norellicus]

Druids can raid heal...better. That's a fair comparison. Paladins are just easy mode. The only people who say paladins are not easy or OP etc.....are those who play them.

Let's do a quick class run down.

1. Wears plate
2. Can heal themselves
3. Can stun
4. Can bubble
5. Can lay on hands
6. Can sleep
7. Can aoe
8. Can buff

Any other class that can do all of those things?

Unless you can do all of them at the same time (you can't), what's your point?

[Eaglestrike]

Druids can raid heal...better. That's a fair comparison. Paladins are just easy mode. The only people who say paladins are not easy or OP etc.....are those who play them.

Let's do a quick class run down.

1. Wears plate
2. Can heal themselves
3. Can stun
4. Can bubble
5. Can lay on hands
6. Can sleep
7. Can aoe
8. Can buff

Any other class that can do all of those things?

DK is pretty damn close.

1) Wears plate and can throw in some DR/shield-like armor.
2) Death Strike
3) Ghoul stun
4) AMS/Z
5) Ghoul sac
6) Strangulate
7) Yep, better than paladins.
8) Horn
9) Can debuff
10) Can interrupt
11) Immune to stuns

[Meko]

Yea, I agree that the DK is the "dark" paladin, if you will. Aside from bubbling, lay on hands and being able to heal.

[Melena]

10k dps with the 25% buff isn't that hot. Here's the top rankings on WoL. With the exception of LK, 10k dps isn't good.

http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...n_Citadel/dps/

[Eaglestrike]

Yea, I agree that the DK is the "dark" paladin, if you will. Aside from bubbling, lay on hands and being able to heal.

I love when people continuously link bubbling and LoH together. When there's a 2min wait between being able to do them and all. And of course paladins being able to heal. Yeah my prots 2.5s holy light for 20% of my mana heals me for 6k (3k with divine plea up, which is always!) which oddly is about how much a DK can heal themself for! But of course, paladins can heal better than DK's, yes, yes...

[Meko]

I don't know the exact numbers to be honest. On our LK kill with the 20% buff, our armor pen warrior was hitting 10k or real close to it.

[Boyiee]

You can? You can guarantee it? Our ret pally (he's our MT 99% of the time) is normally top 2 or 3 in our raids (10 man). He's very good and does a ton of DPS. We have a warrior that can't be touched who's all armor pen etc doing well over 10k DPS on just about every fight (not counting trash). Our holy paladin also does a ton of healing and does it very well. Maybe you are just rolling with bad paladins?

Yes, I can guarantee it. Please realize you are rolling with worse players than we are if your ret is as good as you say, it's not the other way around. That is, unless you can clarify something.

We have a ret pally in our 10 man group that tanks and he's almost always atop the DPS meters on most fights.

Our ret pally (he's our MT 99% of the time) is normally top 2 or 3 in our raids (10 man). He's very good and does a ton of DPS.

By atop the meters, do you mean hes on top of the meters, or top 3, which is it? If a ret paladin is #1 on most of your fights, then you are doing something wrong. You then said that the warrior is number one and cant be touched, which is fine. Are we talking normal modes? Hard modes? In hard modes the fights are dominated by fury warriors and mages for the most part. There are around 7 fights where rets shouldn't be in the top 3. The majority of the fights.

[Lexa]

Why make a list of all the "OP things" a pally can do? It's really just a list over stuff that are actually shared with a lot of the classes in the game, with a couple of unique abilities thrown in. I could make an equal list over "OP stuff" for any other class, then add in one or two of their unique abilities, and start QQing.

[Meko]

I love when people continuously link bubbling and LoH together. When there's a 2min wait between being able to do them and all. And of course paladins being able to heal. Yeah my prots 2.5s holy light for 20% of my mana heals me for 6k (3k with divine plea up, which is always!) which oddly is about how much a DK can heal themself for! But of course, paladins can heal better than DK's, yes, yes...

I wasn't linking them together but those abilities/options are available for the paladin. I mean, on my druid and shaman I can bubble....oh, no no no I can't. I love how paladins defend the bubble like it shouldn't matter. It only nullifies damage take by 100%....

[Eaglestrike]

Top 3 in a 10-man, when you have 5-6 dps total, is truly overpowered!

[Meko]

10k dps with the 25% buff isn't that hot. Here's the top rankings on WoL. With the exception of LK, 10k dps isn't good.

http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...n_Citadel/dps/

Oddly enough looking over the rankings, there are ret pallies a top those top 10 world lists. How in the world is that possible? Am I looking at the wrong data?


EDIT: 4 of the top 10 on the LK are ret pallies....

[Boyiee]

Looks like hes talking normal modes.

So out of 6 dps, your ret pally manages around top 3 on the majority of fights and your top dps is only pulling 10k.

End discussion lol.

[Boyiee]

Oddly enough looking over the rankings, there are ret pallies a top those top 10 world lists. How in the world is that possible? Am I looking at the wrong data?


EDIT: 4 of the top 10 on the LK are ret pallies....

Oddly enough 7 fights (the majority) dont have ret paladins on the list.

We have a ret pally in our 10 man group that tanks and he's almost always atop the DPS meters on most fights.

[Bweigelt]

Oddly enough looking over the rankings, there are ret pallies a top those top 10 world lists. How in the world is that possible? Am I looking at the wrong data?


EDIT: 4 of the top 10 on the LK are ret pallies....

Have you hit China yet, cause that's one hell of a hole you're digging.

[Eaglestrike]

Oddly enough 7 fights (the majority) dont have ret paladins on the list.

And almost every fight has druids (when paladins are CLEARLY the more OP hybrid) above a ret paladin. Some lists are even almost exclusively druid.

[Meko]

Doesn't matter. I'm only talking about normal. I forgot I'm posting on the BG forums were leet is the only way to travel. We all have our opinions.

[Lexa]

And almost every fight has druids (when paladins are CLEARLY the more OP hybrid) above a ret paladin. Some lists are even almost exclusively druid.

PP has 9/10 mages and one druid. I say nerf mages! CLEARLY mages are OP!

[Eaglestrike]

Doesn't matter. I'm only talking about my own 10-man and basing the entirety of the game on those 10 people.

ftfy

[Meko]

That's not the case, actually, but it doesn't matter. You win.

[Boyiee]

It is, actually, but thank you for conceding before you hit China. Even when you talk about normal mode only, you were still wrong. 7 Fights on normal don't have rets in top 10, rets are less dps than several other classes. If you have a ret getting 1-3rd on meters out of 6dps, fine, your other dps are bad. When you have a ret getting 3rd and your #1 is topping at 10k, then all of them have issues.

As mentioned, druid is probably the most OP hybrid right now. Feral raping some fights, Boomkin raping several others, top2 in terms of progression tanks, and an insane healer.