Paladins OP? Not in my World of Warcraft

[Norellicus]

well it is indeed full pulling aggro off tanks with aspect of the viper up 100% of time

wat

[Tajin]

under geared / noob tanks.

[Metta]

Havnt played in almost 2 months, almost went to check update notes to see how they made paladin OP.

[Meko]

For the record, I didn't start the argument but I appreciate you starting a thread and making me the actual thread starter. It feels good, man.

[Boyiee]

The only reason the thread was started was to separate the shitpile that was dumped into the cataclysm thread. Don't feel too honored about it.

[Meko]

Among the elite, I have to take what I can get.

[towelliee]

Well as of right now Paladin's in Beta for tanking at least are OP.

Hammer of the Righteous - no CD
Crusader Strike - no CD 258% weapon DMG
Exorcism - Instant Cast


This is just from a tanking perspective.

Now in PVP a Paladin spec'd into Prot Ret PVP has the following

1 - A 3 second silence via Avenger's Shield
2 - Hammer of Justice
3 - If you're a BE Arcane Torrent
4 - Blind - 3 seconds

This is definitely scary not to mention the abilities with no CD and plus dmg.

But with the announcement of the Holy Power I am anxious to see how it all turns out.

[SamanosukeShiva]

but yeah, i rather agree w/ paladin being utility dps, full 264/277 + shadowedge pally in my guild rarely #1 on recount, raiding ICC25s if any class is OP that has to be mages.
























and hunter ;p

[Tricen]

Warriors*

[Tajin]

Mages OP wut? then again my server is waaaay behind the times.

[Boyiee]

Mages and warriors, hopefully cata will drop wars down a notch or 2 and replace it with a different dps class.

[Meresgi]

Why do people say warriors are OP? I mean granted some warriors are OP but the entire class is dependent on getting amazing gear to be that way. Rogues can bust you up in pvp pretty easily w/o full 25man ICC weapons and Wrathful gear, as a rogue with all their CD's up is a joy to fight. (They just drop you faster with that sort of gear) but as a warrior you need at least an ICC25weapon and 1 tier lower then wrathful or wrathful to do anything OP.

[towelliee]

The ICC buff can be tricky. At early 5% 10% or pre buff Warriors topped meters with ARP cap DBW etc.

WIth buff now the world of logs have changed and it's now Mages on top since they scale better with the buff.

[Krye]

Why do people say warriors are OP? I mean granted some warriors are OP but the entire class is dependent on getting amazing gear to be that way. Rogues can bust you up in pvp pretty easily w/o full 25man ICC weapons and Wrathful gear, as a rogue with all their CD's up is a joy to fight. (They just drop you faster with that sort of gear) but as a warrior you need at least an ICC25weapon and 1 tier lower then wrathful or wrathful to do anything OP.

I'm full wrathful and I get destroyed by warriors in shit gear.

The ICC buff can be tricky. At early 5% 10% or pre buff Warriors topped meters with ARP cap DBW etc.

WIth buff now the world of logs have changed and it's now Mages on top since they scale better with the buff.

Everybody scales exactly the same with the ICC buff. There's nothing tricky about it.

[Boyiee]

The ICC buff can be tricky. At early 5% 10% or pre buff Warriors topped meters with ARP cap DBW etc.

WIth buff now the world of logs have changed and it's now Mages on top since they scale better with the buff.

I still see warriors dominating about 6 fights at least on WOL... People call warrior OP because from a DPS standpoint it is OP, as well as a great progression tank.

People were discussing pve mostly, but if you want to go the pvp route, you mentioned it takes at least t1 weapon or a icc25 weapon for warrior to be OP. It's a joke getting 1800+ as warrior to obtain t1 weapon, and even icc10 weapons hit hard enough in pvp. Plus, warriors rape rogues. A half decent warrior with good macro set ups are strong.

You can call warriors gear dependent, but it's not hard to get the gear in wrath to be that way. Warriors are consistently raping meters when they start getting gear. You are comparing them to mages and rogues, 2 pure classes, where warrior is a hybrid.

[Siniroth]

The ICC buff can be tricky. At early 5% 10% or pre buff Warriors topped meters with ARP cap DBW etc.

WIth buff now the world of logs have changed and it's now Mages on top since they scale better with the buff.

+x% damage is +x% damage for every class bud

[Falaras]

Shadowmourne or gtfo.

[Angelicus]

well it is indeed full pulling aggro off tanks with aspect of the viper up 100% of time

This made me chuckle.

I'm still having to MD constantly and FD in ICC, on a Pala tank that's better gered than me. And I dread to think what it would be like if I was MM and ArP'd to the hilt.

[Slott]

IMO, the number one tank right now, far and beyond all others, is death knight, due to how overpowered will of the necropolis is. Second up is probably paladin (due to mitigation and ardent, making them a safe #2 tank)

While druids are always a "safe" tank to bring, their mitigation currently is lower than the previously mentioned classes (which matters in hardmode fights, at least halion and heroic lich king fights)

As for ret paladins - they're pretty much the #2 desired dps in heroic lich king fight due to their aoe capabilities (this matters in phase 2 against valkyries - the same reason fury warriors are so strong that fight)

[SamanosukeShiva]

This made me chuckle.

I'm still having to MD constantly and FD in ICC, on a Pala tank that's better gered than me. And I dread to think what it would be like if I was MM and ArP'd to the hilt.

well that's how you play hunter, every 3 or 4 rotations you MD+FD depend on omen, but usually initial multiple tricks+MDs is enough of a jump start to carry the tanks over the whole fight. and also how you manage to time offensive CDs on MD too.