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[Yugl]

If you're referring to mine, the PUP was just there to compare to his (nakedish) smn. A good pup will beat a nether blast smn, but not come close to a SMN with capped skills and wind blade.

Oh ok.

Arguable, manafont destroys tabula, and you get to use it several times.

The 2hr debacle depends on whether you're able to employ Kaeko's macro trick properly. For someone on the PS2/3, it's nigh impossible, so Manafont is the better 2hr in that case. The bigger argument is about race since only SCH has a major source of refresh.

If you're arguing SCH + BLM over RDM + BLM.. what do you do when the magic immune gigas is the one to port to 5f? I take out my blau and joy and rape the fucker, but I don't think that would work so well for a SCH.

That's a good point. I wonder if a staff build would work though!

[Ahkow]

Which grip should I use? I've been thinking of buying Reaver Grip +1 or getting it synthed but just haven't gotten around to it yet...

use the nq one at least then =D

[rog]

In every single run I've done, it's always been the same one. Also, they don't drop chests -- the chests are already up when they're up (That's why you can bind + grab TE). Try it next run and you'll see I'm right.

I always start with that one, and i haven't always got it first try. Not sure what to say. And the item chest is not already up.

If you're arguing SCH + BLM over RDM + BLM.. what do you do when the magic immune gigas is the one to port to 5f? I take out my blau and joy and rape the fucker, but I don't think that would work so well for a SCH

Same way you solo it: dots. Honestly, it doesn't really make any difference, since you'll get a 100% win rate either way.

Edit: And to note, Thorny said to bring someone to sac. They have zone aggro, so don't do that. MNK and RDM has always been the easiest duo for me for SW, but BLM and any light based sleep is pretty comfortable too.

No, they have alliance hate.

[FailureMidgard]

Wow, big fun debate!

First, looks like pup already lost it's one other use, so we'll leave that to the side. Nobody argued about blu, so we'll leave that too.

So the only job even worth debating is scholar. And while a scholar is "Fine" for all these things, just because you bring a scholar doesn't make it good or ideal. Stun is better than anything a scholar brings to the table in non-AoE situations (And bindga/graviga are okay I guess, but meh, it's a really small niche). It's not about when you absolutely NEED stun, stun is just always good to have. The -only- thing a scholar brings is mp efficiency, which is not needed in any manner in apollyon especially where you can manafont every floor. If you do want a 2nd person to pair with a black mage, a red mage actually can do more damage with a manapool than a scholar (and has more refresh past that), provides added mp to the black mage, can sub nin, and can melee the magic immune gigas as Thorny said.

Also Yugl, you're wrong on the Rocs, sorry. 1 pair has ITEM CHEST + Vortex. The other pair has nothing+nothing. He was correct. Only the time/restore chests are already there.

[Aerynlia]

Ah, my mistake on that then. Maybe the person aggroed before dropping party and didn't want to own up to it.

[Yugl]

So the only job even worth debating is scholar. And while a scholar is "Fine" for all these things, just because you bring a scholar doesn't make it good or ideal. Stun is better than anything a scholar brings to the table in non-AoE situations (And bindga/graviga are okay I guess, but meh, it's a really small niche). It's not about when you absolutely NEED stun, stun is just always good to have.

Stun in these zones is a minor deal. As mentioned, only omega really requires it. Ghosts can be silenced. Otherwise, play smart.

On the other hand, AOE Gravga + Bindga allow for strategies that are difficult or near suicidal on BLM. Crowd controlling packs of mandies and fomors allows you to use zerg tactics on the main NM. As mentioned earlier, you could try to sleep them, but then you have to consider the potential for missing one or two, and those guys don't hit lightly (And hit 2x).

The -only- thing a scholar brings is mp efficiency, which is not needed in any manner in apollyon especially where you can manafont every floor.

While it's true that MP efficiency's importance is diminished due to 2hr chests, it's still a concern when you're not getting the vortex on the first mob.

If you do want a 2nd person to pair with a black mage, a red mage actually can do more damage with a manapool than a scholar (and has more refresh past that), provides added mp to the black mage, can sub nin, and can melee the magic immune gigas as Thorny said.

I would disagree about RDM for the same reasons stated earlier. Access to Helix + Parsimony + Charged Sublimation will produce more damage than a RDM with convert if they're Elvaan or Galka and not using a max MP build. Elvaan has roughly 515 base MP without gear and Galka has roughly 400MP. In nuking gear, this won't reach much further. Add in the fact that RDM nuke using a less efficient nuke (TIII instead of TIV), and you'll easily come to the same conclusion.

Also Yugl, you're wrong on the Rocs, sorry. 1 pair has ITEM CHEST + Vortex. The other pair has nothing+nothing. He was correct. Only the time/restore chests are already there.

Those are the exact chests I'm talking about. Hence, why I mentioned it's the reason I can bind + hit the TE chest. I don't even concern myself with the item chest.

For both you and rog: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...ollyon-NE2.jpg

If you look at this map, Tiazi (2hr chest) has always given us the vortex. I cannot imagine it being random and us always getting the vortex in over 1-2yrs. Perhaps you're doing something that makes it change? Start with that one and you'll see I'm correct.

As for NE Hyperion, DoT is the usual tactic of course, but I think Thorny was saying RDM melee is faster.

[rog]

For both you and rog: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...ollyon-NE2.jpg

If you look at this map, Tiazi (2hr chest) has always given us the vortex. I cannot imagine it being random and us always getting the vortex in over 1-2yrs. Perhaps you're doing something that makes it change? Start with that one and you'll see I'm correct.

That is the one i start with it, and it most definitely does not always open the portal.

[FailureMidgard]

Stun in these zones is a minor deal. As mentioned, only omega really requires it. Ghosts can be silenced. Otherwise, play smart.

And yet, you missed the entire point being stun is still good, even when it isn't required. Silence wears off. Gravity wears off. Sleep resists. There isn't a lot of point in listing it. I think most any black mage casts stun pretty regularly.

On the other hand, AOE Gravga + Bindga allow for strategies that are difficult or near suicidal on BLM. Crowd controlling packs of mandies and fomors allows you to use zerg tactics on the main NM. As mentioned earlier, you could try to sleep them, but then you have to consider the potential for missing one or two, and those guys don't hit lightly (And hit 2x).

Packs of mandies and fomors? Why in the world would you have packs of those. And again, this only matters on solo. If you want to duo, just have someone /smn or sac pull.

While it's true that MP efficiency's importance is diminished due to 2hr chests, it's still a concern when you're not getting the vortex on the first mob.

Wha? A duo can kill 3 mobs before hitting a chest without resting in most zones.

I would disagree about RDM for the same reasons stated earlier. Access to Helix + Parsimony + Charged Sublimation will produce more damage than a RDM with convert if they're Elvaan or Galka and not using a max MP build. Elvaan has roughly 515 base MP without gear and Galka has roughly 400MP. In nuking gear, this won't reach much further. Add in the fact that RDM nuke using a less efficient nuke (TIII instead of TIV), and you'll easily come to the same conclusion.

"and not using a convert set". So, a good scholar is better than a bad elv/galk rdm? Is that really your argument? You also don't get a full sublimation charge each floor, you get it once, then after that it's just another refresh. Also, I was under the impression T3 is more efficient mp-wise than T4. The rest won't really compare to 2 mp pools...

Those are the exact chests I'm talking about. Hence, why I mentioned it's the reason I can bind + hit the TE chest. I don't even concern myself with the item chest.

For both you and rog: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...ollyon-NE2.jpg

If you look at this map, Tiazi (2hr chest) has always given us the vortex. I cannot imagine it being random and us always getting the vortex in over 1-2yrs. Perhaps you're doing something that makes it change? Start with that one and you'll see I'm correct.

As for NE Hyperion, DoT is the usual tactic of course, but I think Thorny was saying RDM melee is faster.

So what, you're saying it's the first one always? It's most definitely not -that- one always. And DoT seems to be to be a significantly inferior way to go about that.

[Yugl]

That is the one i start with it, and it most definitely does not always open the portal.

That's strange then. I still think it's something different we're doing because I have yet to see it not open the vortex (And the poster earlier agreed with this).

And yet, you missed the entire point being stun is still good, even when it isn't required. Silence wears off. Gravity wears off. Sleep resists. There isn't a lot of point in listing it. I think most any black mage casts stun pretty regularly.

I did get your point. Stun is one of those "nice things to have" much like heat butt. However, as you admitted, it's not necessary. All of those things can be solved by and eventually would be solved by other spells. Silence wears? Recast it. When is gravity wearing even relevant? Have the other person gravity it or if you're solo, bind it. BLM casting stun regularly takes time from kill speed and wastes MP.

Packs of mandies and fomors? Why in the world would you have packs of those. And again, this only matters on solo. If you want to duo, just have someone /smn or sac pull.

In NE, you may have a pack of mandies on you if the NM is laying in the middle of them and you want to kill faster. In SW, it's the same with fomors. Why the hell is someone gimping their sub or even worse, killing themselves better than bringing a SCH?

Wha? A duo can kill 3 mobs before hitting a chest without resting in most zones.

My 5-5-3-4 NW run says fuck your 3 mobs (Duoed that one ftw of course). If you're fighting KB, it's an eventuality that you'll run out of MP on BLM and SCH, in which case, you're going to rely on Aspir (Both have), Drain (Both have), and Refresh (SCH wins that). NE NMs won't die to a duo on one MP pool from my experience.

"and not using a convert set". So, a good scholar is better than a bad elv/galk rdm? Is that really your argument? You also don't get a full sublimation charge each floor, you get it once, then after that it's just another refresh. Also, I was under the impression T3 is more efficient mp-wise than T4. The rest won't really compare to 2 mp pools...

I remember Kaeko laying out the list as TIV being the best and TIII being close to the worst. Even with a convert set, you still haven't shown RDM>SCH. I remember a thread where even Thorny admits he doesn't go beyond the 1k/1k deal and that's on a Taru. Don't forget that for each MP piece, you're going to miss out on damage/resist pieces as well.

So what, you're saying it's the first one always? It's most definitely not -that- one always. And DoT seems to be to be a significantly inferior way to go about that.

Rog is saying otherwise, but I've done this with my LS and even invited pick ups to these runs. We ALWAYS kill the 2hr chest Tiazi first and get the vortex. I even go as far as to tell the pick up people about our actions thereafter (Sleepga mini birds + bind big bird for TE). I agree that DoT is inferior to meleeing; I was explaining to rog why Thorny asked that question since to rog, it seemed like a question of feasibility rather than comparison.

[rog]

I was explaining to rog why Thorny asked that question since to rog, it seemed like a question of feasibility rather than comparison.

Only for a solo. I was saying it's possible to have to kill it and still win solo (just very unlikely).

As far which job is better, i find these arguments to be rather pointless. For NW, even rdm+cor will get a 100% win rate. The only thing else that matters is if you can kill pluto+faf for the item chests, and still have time for kb. For NE, blm+any useful job will win every time, it really doesn't matter whether the second person is rdm, sch, blm, cor, or even brd. The only real difference is that the rocs will be a bit harder with only one mage, but as long as the blm can handle it, brd or cor work fine.

However, if i absolutely had to pick which is better, i'd probably say sch by a very slight margin for NE, and since all three can solo NW, i refuse to pick any over the others for nw duo.

[Fottiti]

Also, I was under the impression T3 is more efficient mp-wise than T4. The rest won't really compare to 2 mp pools...

Irrelevant I guess, but my tier 4 nukes work out to be ~15% more damage per mp on blm (depending on what I'm fighting). No doubt your gear will have an impact on this but I don't see t3 ever being more mp efficient than t4.

Edit: rephrasing

[Somnus]

I wouldn't suggest this gun for a new RNG - it requires some particular gear to get a 5-hit and unlock its full potential. Unless you're a THF with Skadi's Chausses, you're probably better off using an E/Vbow.

That said, the gun attacks twice on normal ranged attacks about 40-45% of the time, it doesn't attack twice on WS or Barrage. WS's are still respectable but wouldn't compare with Hellfire+1 or Annihilator - the difference is in the frequency of WS's.

Ah ic well thanks for the reply. Ya I am working on v bow atm lol 0/7

[Thorny]

He just thinks his skadi legs are a huge deal. If you can't swing em, grab enkidu's and a rose strap. You only need 16 or 17 stp to 5hit with gun /war, mekki/rose/rajas/enkidu's is 19 and will allow you to WS in whatever. No campaign rank? Get Mekki/Rajas/Enkidu's/a str and stp nodowa from mini expansion augments. Don't want to fuck with chance augments? Get Mekki/Rajas/Enkidu's/stp+snapshot from ACP body. 5hit is laughably easy with the new weapons, it's much harder to do with vbow.

[Somnus]

Nevermind Shadida
The OAT ranged weapons are going to beat all of their current counter parts aside from relics, even if you're comparing a 5 hit build of one to a 6 hit OAT weapon build. If you're serious about the job, get one. If you're just going to be casual about the job, you can just gimp your way up and use whatever bullshit you feel like, but don't expect anyone here to be nice if they see you.

Most obliged for the information. I don't even like leveling a job unless I have the best equip possible. Sometimes I don't always have the gil to fund my habit lol but I try. Rare ex equipment is my alternative of course so I work on that as much as possible. I am sure most people will see my gear posts in this thread sometime soon.

[Somnus]

He just thinks his skadi legs are a huge deal. If you can't swing em, grab enkidu's and a rose strap. You only need 16 or 17 stp to 5hit with gun /war, mekki/rose/rajas/enkidu's is 19 and will allow you to WS in whatever. No campaign rank? Get Mekki/Rajas/Enkidu's/a str and stp nodowa from mini expansion augments. Don't want to fuck with chance augments? Get Mekki/Rajas/Enkidu's/stp+snapshot from ACP body. 5hit is laughably easy with the new weapons, it's much harder to do with vbow.

Thanks for the advice. I was debating this as well so this is helpful in my conclusion.

[noodles355]

I think I've finished my Thf Eva set, or am really close to it. (2nd Earring is Musical, waist is scouter's)
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...426_150914.png
Think I still need Ungar Boomarang, but not interested in Wivre Ring+1s, +1 eva over dual Breeze at the cost of 2 inv slots.

Anything could improve upon? How does Ritter Gorget compare to Evasion Torque?
Unsure if I'll keep the Ebon Brais or change them into the tights. (Brais: 2Agi 3Eva 2Acc, Tights: 2Dex 3Acc 3Eva 1%Crit).
I'm put off by the crow/raven stuff because of the -enmity, I'm already at -7 from novia, I guess ritter's +3 would help cut that down too.

[mdkuser]

I think I've finished my Thf Eva set, or am really close to it. (2nd Earring is Musical, waist is scouter's)
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...426_150914.png
Think I still need Ungar Boomarang, but not interested in Wivre Ring+1s, +1 eva over dual Breeze at the cost of 2 inv slots.

Anything could improve upon? How does Ritter Gorget compare to Evasion Torque?
Unsure if I'll keep the Ebon Brais or change them into the tights. (Brais: 2Agi 3Eva 2Acc, Tights: 2Dex 3Acc 3Eva 1%Crit).
I'm put off by the crow/raven stuff because of the -enmity, I'm already at -7 from novia, I guess ritter's +3 would help cut that down too.

Empress hairpin and HQ crow leg. no, enimity - does not matter.

[Gunitsoldier]

Master Caster Mitts for certain areas = luv

[Raen Ryong]

I think you should have a "hardcore" evasion set which is when you desperately need to survive/need shadows etc and then a melee-friendly one (Ohat instead of Empress for instance, perhaps swap a Breeze Ring for Rajas etc).

[noodles355]

Denali pants

0/46-47ish

Emp pin? I'm not so sure, for OSHI moments, it's only 1Eva more (In my current set), but I also drop 15HP.

As far as crow/Raven gear, do you really think -enmity is irrelevant? In any kinda low man scenario where I'd probably use this set and be tanking on thf, I don't think I'd want -enmity. Plus the Ebon have some (slight) DD stats, putting them in the same boat as Ohat

I do need Master Caster's Mitts too, they'd work well as I'm from Bastok so would be active in almost every non-au/wg area...
But sadly I shot my last PPA a month or so befor the update and am still saving for a new one.

Anyone know if eva skill is just 1:1 evasion? or if it's like <200= 1:1, >200 1:0.9?
I'm just trying to decide the worth of Torque vs Ritter.