Cavaros Mantle Testing Results

[Kainos]

I'm kinda new to testing so please don't burn me if this is off, but here are my results after seeing there wasn't much info on this piece yet:

Cavaros Mantle: Drops from Raskovnik NM in Abyssea - Konschtat.
DEF: 7 Increases critical hit damage
Enmity +5
Lv. 80 WAR / THF / DRK / RNG / NIN / COR / PUP /
DNC

I went as lvl 80 WAR/THF with no equipment except for unbroken spear of trials and Cavaros Mantle.
Tested on a total of 50 Wild Rabitts in ERon. using Sneak Attack to test the damage increase with and without mantle.


Average % increase = 2.69%

testing data below:

Spoiler: show

total mobs tested = 50
w/o mantle = 25
w/ mantle = 25


AVG CRIT HIT W/O MANTLE = 267
AVG CRIT HIT W/ MATNLE = 274


25 crit hits w/o mantle:

268
274
266
259
263
264
264
263
273
259
274
268
265
265
267
274
268
270
267
264
268
268
262
274
269

25 crit hits w/ mantle:

276
270
275
270
276
274
270
274
270
280
271
275
272
273
278
280
274
272
277
274
277
279
272
271
274

I started testing yesterday but had to start over after making an error.
Planning to do WS testing with Sneak Attack Keen Edge WS.

Sorry if I messed something up but I only did this b/c there was no information on it. If I'm wrong or new testing results I will update this post.

[Firedemon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't using Perdu Voulge over 100 TP hinder your results due to the latent on that as well? If you're using SA over 100 TP, you're losing out on 5 base damage, and doing lower overall damage. Using something like Berserker's axe or something with no latent or anything would be more accurate I would think. Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

[Kainos]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't using Perdu Voulge over 100 TP hinder your results due to the latent on that as well? If you're using SA over 100 TP, you're losing out on 5 base damage, and doing lower overall damage. Using something like Berserker's axe or something with no latent or anything would be more accurate I would think. Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

dammit yea your right >,<

[Phraust]

I was trying to test this this morning using sneak attack on wild rabbits...

w/out gear I SA'd 30 times with and w/out the mantle... Saw no increase in the average crit damage...

With Gear (Hecatomb etc.) I actually saw a slight DECREASE in damage using the mantle over no mantle at all; 30 attacks either way.

Lv. 80 THF/DNC 40 No Offhand...

I had a notepad open that I closed w/out saving before work... So take my tiny sample size for what it's worth...

I asked in the random question thread if I did something wrong and it was suggested that it's the upper bounds of the crits that changes.

Can someone explain to me the relevant math here and what kinds of shit to expect at say, 5% crit damage, 10% crit damage etc?

[Kirschy]

You can use the mantle and test using ranged attacks to get an accurate reading. Ranged attacks are capped at 3.25 pdif, and are consistent damage still.

Saitohajime, LS member tested the mantle @ 1% with this method~

[Kainos]

updated post w/ diff wep. small sample size atm will increase later

[Kegsay]

274 > 280 max damage increase. 3.15 PDIF max, so that gives D+fSTR of 87.

I don't know how the attribute itself works (% increase, PDIF increase, cap rise, etc) but it works with 3.225x PDIF which would be an increase of 0.075 PDIF on crits. Worth verifying since I just did back of the envelope maths on it.

[Kainos]

274 > 280 max damage increase. 3.15 PDIF max, so that gives D+fSTR of 87.

I don't know how the attribute itself works (% increase, PDIF increase, cap rise, etc) but it works with 3.225x PDIF which would be an increase of 0.075 PDIF on crits. Worth verifying since I just did back of the envelope maths on it.

So 274 > 280 is 2.19% increase, meaning highest can hit for with mantle would be +4.88%?
I'm not a melee math guy at all, how do I test the attribute, adding STR?

[Kegsay]

Increases Critical Hit Damage can do one of two things, either improve PDIF (presumably static) on critical hits or add a % increase (static) on critical hits.

If it's a % increase, then you'll get less benefit on harder monsters. Easy example is if you critical for 20 and the improvement is 5%, you'll get 21 damage (1 damage increase). If you critical for 200 though you'll get 210 (10 damage increase).

If it's a PDIF increase, then you get better results with a higher DMG weapon and more STR. Easy example is comparing D+fSTR values of say 20 and 80. If the increase is 0.075 as I said above, then the improvement in actual damage would be 20*0.075 and 80*0.075 respectively, or 1.5 and 6 damage.

Whilst the two sound very similar, the first case doesn't care how you got the weak damage (could be that PDIF is crap) it just adds a % increase. Slightly pedantic I know.

Edit for clarification:

Few examples:
High D (100) and High PDIF (3.15)
Without = 315
With (PDIF way) = 322.5
With (2.19% way) = 321.8985

High D (100) and Low PDIF (1.1)
Without = 110
With (PDIF way) = 117.5
With (2.19% way) = 112.409

Low D (10) and High PDIF (3.15)
Without = 31.5
With (PDIF) = 32.25
With (%) = 32.18985

Low D (10) and Low PDIF (1.1)
Without = 11
With (PDIF) = 11.75
With (%) = 11.2409

So the only one which really makes much of a difference is if you have high D and low PDIF, aka 2H weapon vs. monster with super high DEF, so that would be the obvious test case.

[Kirschy]

I hate to be mean here, but doing testing on this mantle with regular melee attacks is near worthless. You can do hundreds of criticals without getting the max damage. There is no reason not to test this using consistent damage from ranged attacks.