SCH/WHM - healing stat discussion

**Seravi Edalborez** · 2013-10-01 11:25

SCH here, would not sacrifice MND for crit. I prioritize the same way you do WHM.

This is a good chance for me to move my heal testing junk from ACN thread here so I'll probably do so later (and update with Omnilex so I'm not basing everything on only 2 data points).

**Frein** · 2013-10-01 11:26

I'm not doing coil but going for a crit build on a healer seems like an incredibly daft idea. You'll either not heal enough when you can't crit or overheal when you do crit.

**Raldo** · 2013-10-01 11:28

I only focus on crit after MND is ironed out, but the above post seems a bit oblivious about the effect of crit on SCH.

**Ksandra** · 2013-10-01 11:40

I posted a site in this thread:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/118...we-thought-%29

That has a lot of calculators.

It doesn't have sch, but it does have whm:

healing: http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=200

healing returns: http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=279

How he got his info:

http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id...reaterthanfive

Might be a good place to start in figuring out how much mnd/crit is good.

**Kiarax** · 2013-10-01 11:47

Originally Posted by Frein

I'm not doing coil but going for a crit build on a healer seems like an incredibly daft idea. You'll either not heal enough when you can't crit or overheal when you do crit.

Adloquium gets a massive benefit from crits, doubling the barrier. If a normal hit cures for 1000 you'll get a 1000 HP shield. If you crit you will heal 1500 and get a 3000 shield. Since it functions as a stoneskin overcuring isn't an issue.

**Kipling** · 2013-10-01 17:14

**Frein** · 2013-10-01 19:47

Originally Posted by Kiarax

Adloquium gets a massive benefit from crits, doubling the barrier. If a normal hit cures for 1000 you'll get a 1000 HP shield. If you crit you will heal 1500 and get a 3000 shield. Since it functions as a stoneskin overcuring isn't an issue.

I know how Adloquium works, but I don't spam Adloquium because it costs a ton of mana. Only when the target is under heavy pressure or needs to be topped off before a spike (like Mountain Buster), do I cast Adloquium. Focusing your build around an unreliable effect of a secondary healing spell doesn't seem wise.

**Enygma55** · 2013-10-01 23:41

You dont spam Adlo you supplement ur cures with it. Toss one in every 2-3 cast of Physiks. Since ur hitting for 600 Adlo thats effectively 1200 hp cured. MP is really a non issue on SCH. Crit is nice but most of ur gear should have MND always and added Crit if you can.

**Hiroishime** · 2013-10-02 00:41

I focus on crit build and was able to solo succor spam tumult x 7 with sacred soil + virus on when our WHM dc.

**Raldo** · 2013-10-02 09:24

Originally Posted by Hiroishime

I focus on crit build and was able to solo succor spam tumult x 7 with sacred soil + virus on when our WHM dc.

Does the crit thing affect Succor? It's conspicuously absent in the spell description...

**Datonare** · 2013-10-02 10:28

Crit succors work the same as adloqium

**Jeryhn** · 2013-10-02 11:02

Originally Posted by Frein

I'm not doing coil but going for a crit build on a healer seems like an incredibly daft idea. You'll either not heal enough when you can't crit or overheal when you do crit.

SCH has already been noted, but from the WHM side of things a crit build also massively benefits Regen and Medica2. Landing a crit on either of these spells will increase the HoT, and give you more breathing room to prepare for incoming spike damage.

**Seravi Edalborez** · 2013-10-02 11:05

Unless I'm mistaken it checks for crit on HoTs the same way it does for DoTs: on a tick-to-tick basis. Granted that's not necessarily bad.

**Yugl** · 2013-10-02 13:07

His phase 4 notes:

Healing formula is significantly different in Phase 4. I tried to compile as much data as possible, and I will review it later this week. Just for example, in Phase 3, +1 MND added about 0.96 HP to Cure I. In Phase 4, +1MND added about 1.6 HP to Cure I with an Ifrit’s Cane. I’ll try to derive the new formula before Early Access.

**Kiarax** · 2013-10-02 13:44

Originally Posted by Raldo

Does the crit thing affect Succor? It's conspicuously absent in the spell description...

Originally Posted by Datonare

Crit succors work the same as adloqium

It doesn't. 800 auto attack did 200 damage through a 600 crit succor.

**Kipling** · 2013-10-02 15:08

**Pepinot** · 2013-10-02 20:44

Originally Posted by Kiarax

It doesn't. 800 auto attack did 200 damage through a 600 crit succor.

I guess this is unsurprising considering the tooltip doesn't say otherwise, but this is still disappointing...

**Seravi Edalborez** · 2013-10-03 02:10

Stats, tl;dr 397 MND, Omnilex NQ

Spoiler: show

(wasn't setting out to do any kind of crit testing but noting values I saw anyways)

Physick: 787-835 (crits observed: 1183-1246)
Adlo: 591-626 (crits observed: 894-937)
Embrace: 497-528 (crits observed: 759-777)
Succor: 295-314 (crits observed: 449-466)
Whispering Dawn: 162-179

Upgraded to Omnilex+1, no other changes

Physick: 819-870 (crits observed: 1269-1295)
Adlo: 616-651 (crits observed: 931-946)
Embrace: 522-549 (crits observed: 759-777)
Succor: 305-324 (crits observed: 458-487)
Whispering Dawn: 170-187

This is what I guessed the bump up would be based on a couple of data points a week ago (appending the test posts below in spoilers). Pretty damn close to the the actual change:

+33.8 - Physick
+25.04 - Adlo
+21.42 - Embrace
+12.79 - Succor
+7.39 - Whispering Dawn

Testpost 1

Spoiler: show

Testpost 2

Spoiler: show

**Yugl** · 2013-10-03 06:07

Even if the equation is different, the range seems to be the same at least. The first value looks to be 811 base with 3% variations. The second could be 608 if your data doesn't represent the minimum value. I suspect that weapon damage, as is the case with magic damage, interacts with MND, so a clear "This increases by cures by X value" will be very rough at best.

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