Zanshin and Hasso Tests

**Clash Perez** · 2011-07-13 12:40

Originally Posted by Kosh

Did a larger sample of zanshin base rate under hasso with no +zanshin or merits, DA etc.

1638 hits / 191 extra attacks

so a 13.3% proc rate, gonna get a much larger sample and see which way it edges.

Did you omit the rounds which began with a miss, and subtract second attacks after a miss from the original 'extra attacks' value?

**Clash Perez** · 2011-07-13 13:39

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Attacking a Fortalice with Wooden Katana and Sword Strap, otherwise naked:
1315 rounds, 1254 of which the first hit connected. Of these, 139 have had a second round.
~11.08%, which would follow floor(Zanshin/4).

How many rounds will I need for a 95% confidence interval?

**Byrthnoth** · 2011-07-13 13:58

I wrote this, because I end up answering this question a lot.

1.96*SQRT((.1108*.8892)/1254) = 1.73%

So right now your confidence interval is 11.08+/-1.73%. If I'm trying to find something really solid out, I go until I can exclude all but one whole percentage point. Assuming none of your numbers change, 4500 would do it.

I redirected anyone who searched "Statistics" to that page, so it should be easy to find in the future and people don't have to search for this thread or remember the word "Binomial"

**Clash Perez** · 2011-07-13 14:03

Thanks.

**Zzsark** · 2011-07-13 15:55

Is my kparser the only one that's not working or is there an update out somewhere? Want to do some counter tests but running out if paper haha

**Fievel** · 2011-07-13 16:03

Originally Posted by dasva

Anyone gunna try with Hell's gaurdian or even Nanatsusaya?

I'll play with Hell's guarding when I get home from work if nobody else has.

**Clash Perez** · 2011-07-13 16:08

New KParser memloc is 5856D8

**Foldypaws** · 2011-07-13 16:56

Originally Posted by Nyosan

New KParser memloc is 5856D8

Hooray!

**Byrthnoth** · 2011-07-13 17:19

Thanks!

**Zzsark** · 2011-07-13 17:26

Thank you very much

**Pharaun** · 2011-07-13 17:29

Has anyone checked to see if Zanshin DA can activate on WS? If not I'll try to test it when I get home from work.

**Clash Perez** · 2011-07-13 19:46

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Base Hassanshin Rate ~11.44% ±1.00%; in the neighborhood of 25% of base Zanshin rate.

Going to start working on a data set for Unkai Domaru+2 and Sugemino. Expecting something around 15%, if gear is treated the same way as the base trait.

**banggugyangu** · 2011-07-14 08:13

Is it just me, or did Zanshin TP merits just become a lot more valuable?

**Clash Perez** · 2011-07-16 11:46

Originally Posted by Pharaun

Has anyone checked to see if Zanshin DA can activate on WS? If not I'll try to test it when I get home from work.

I spent 30 minutes spamming WS earlier as SAM/DNC with all of the Zanshin gear I have, and I couldn't get a single proc.

**Mojo** · 2011-07-17 00:11

If someone has Hell's Guardian or PW GKT, would be best to use to see if it really is Zanshin/4 (expected rate would be 25% and easiest to construct a confidence interval with.)

**Kirschy** · 2011-07-17 10:30

SAM/DNC using: http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/507/geare.png
Atma: Hell's Guardian, Visscitude, and Mounted Champion.

Hasso was up 100% of the time.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9999/samhassoda.png

Removing the Zanshin from missed hits:
192 DA on 751 attack rounds = 25.57%

SAM has a base Zanshin rate of 45%, +10% from +2 body, and 100% from PW atma, so I was sitting at 155% total Zanshin. The data suggests that Zanshin caps at 100% and the DA from Zanshin with Hasso active follows the 1/4 model presented by others.

**Mojo** · 2011-07-17 12:15

**Nightfyre** · 2011-07-17 15:25

Interesting... do we know where Hassazanshins fall as far as multihit priority?

**Clash Perez** · 2011-07-24 19:38

I just finished doing some testing on the Unkai Mimikazari. Fourth Staff, Mimi, otherwise naked.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o...Mimikazari.jpg

47.44% ±1%, which doesn't really help a determine if it's 2% or 3%. 2.5% perhaps, but I'd be a little surprised if it wasn't a whole number value.

**Atoreis** · 2011-10-19 06:46

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Interesting... do we know where Hassazanshins fall as far as multihit priority?

Since I consider doing Kogarasumaru I made a test with quint spear. It was easier than I tho. Hassozanshin is 100% the last that can proc. At start I wanted to make higher sample size but 130 attack rounds were more than enough imo.

132 attack rounds
92 was multihit from quint
33 was single attacks
5 was hassozanshins

I did it by hand resetting tp after every attack round.

EDIT: So the order is DA/TA > OAT > Hassozanshin

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