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    For THF TP outside abyssea:

    Standard Rajas/Epona's or Demonry/Epona's?

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    Looking at the magian weapons for the first real time(recently coming back) - outside of the DRK OAT one; is there any other weapons where not getting the 'full' weapon is on par or close to(if not better) then the 'full weapon'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loyaltrekie View Post
    Looking at the magian weapons for the first real time(recently coming back) - outside of the DRK OAT one; is there any other weapons where not getting the 'full' weapon is on par or close to(if not better) then the 'full weapon'?
    Do you mean a non empyrean weapon being better than the empyrean one?

    If so, OAT polearm is a very solid weapon.

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    Why do I see conflicting opinions, where some say the DA or STR weapons are best and OAX weapons are lacking, and others say OAT is a solid choice? Does 1h vs 2h matter?

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    Well you can't really just say all str magian is the best weapon for all jobs. Different jobs take get more use out of att/str or DA or even OAX. And yeah 1h seems to get the least out of OAX especially ones with decent amount of DA/TA. Sometimes even for the same weapon and job the difference between them is close enough that it depends on your buffs and gearing

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    The OAT weapons tend to have a high delay, which can be made useful for 2-handers when making an X-hit build. However, for 1-handers it just puts you in a less desirable spot in the TP-gain curve and take away from ODD procs in your mainhand.

    There are other reasons too, but those are just some of the simplest.

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    Twash/TK/Raiders/
    Oce+1/Love/Moonshade(TP Bonus+25)/Brutal
    Toci/Raider+2/Thundersoul/Rajas
    Atheling/Cuch/Raiders+2/Assasin+2

    That's for unstacked.

    But for unstacked, would Eponas or another Thundersoul win over Rajas? And any other suggestions for unstacked set?

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    Fix dagger2, also exenterator(or sometimes evisceration) if not stacking WS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khamsin View Post
    Why do I see conflicting opinions, where some say the DA or STR weapons are best and OAX weapons are lacking, and others say OAT is a solid choice? Does 1h vs 2h matter?
    You only see conflicting opinions if you're not bearing in mind which weapons (and thus which jobs) these recommendations are being made for. DRK and DRG are the only jobs off the top of my head for which OAT is a solid option.

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    CDC: Moepapa/Rancorous vs. Rancor/Atheling

    Also, best ammo? Assume Thunder Satchet or Mantis Eye.

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    Moepapa/Rancorous

    Mantis Eye if you need the acc, Thunder Sachet if you don't.

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    Jump, Drakesbane and Sonic Thrust: Justicar's Torque or Ganesha's Mala? (OAT Lance for Jumps). Assuming Justicar's for all of the above?

    Edit: Rancorous Mantle for Drakesbane, hence no Rancor Collar above.

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    I do multi-hit (DA, etc...) over any other stat for jumps, so Ganesha's. (Even with OAT)

    For the WS, Justicar's

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    What's better for Requiescat? Attack? MAB (if it even affects it)? Any other particular stat besides the obvious MND stacking?

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    MND and fTP bonuses (Carries fTP across all hits). I believe Requiescat functions like a normal WS, but the damage transforms into magic damage after all the calculations are done. Someone else can backup or refute that though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsyke View Post
    Do you mean a non empyrean weapon being better than the empyrean one?

    If so, OAT polearm is a very solid weapon.
    sad but true. for now some non emp weapons are indeed better than empyreans (the realistic 90 version at least)

    even a NQ hoarfrost sword is better than lvl 90 caladbolg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsyke View Post
    Do you mean a non empyrean weapon being better than the empyrean one?

    If so, OAT polearm is a very solid weapon.
    TP Bonus GK is also really good (Providing you have Shoha at 5/5 of course). It's also stupidly easy to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yugl View Post
    MND and fTP bonuses (Carries fTP across all hits). I believe Requiescat functions like a normal WS, but the damage transforms into magic damage after all the calculations are done. Someone else can backup or refute that though.
    Sort of? The term I've heard thrown around is "Spirit Damage," like Atonement, where it's entirely physical, but ignores physical resistances. In other words, it does normal damage against things like elementals, slimes, puddings, etc. (It's awesome on the t2 VNM doom toad). The only reason I draw the distinction from "transforms into magic damage" is that its damage isn't enhanced by mobs that take additional magic damage (like Botulus Rex).

    edit: Also, @Khamsin, MND should be your primary focus, but ATT really, really helps. So like, Atheling vs. MND, Atheling, but Morrigan feet vs. Attack boots, Morrigan feet.

    The build I'm using at the moment on BLU: (the hat is lulzy, but no maat's, and I get better numbers than Aias)

    Teal/Shadow Gorget/Flame Pearl/Brutal
    Morrigan's/Heafoc/Neptune's/Epona's
    Atheling/Shadow Belt/Morrigan's/Morrigan's

    The hands aren't ideal, but Smeirc's a dick, Athos is better. I go back and forth on Morrigan legs (+10 mnd) vs. Tumbler (+18 att).

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    Sort of? The term I've heard thrown around is "Spirit Damage," like Atonement, where it's entirely physical, but ignores physical resistances. In other words, it does normal damage against things like elementals, slimes, puddings, etc. (It's awesome on the t2 VNM doom toad). The only reason I draw the distinction from "transforms into magic damage" is that its damage isn't enhanced by mobs that take additional magic damage (like Botulus Rex).

    edit: Also, @Khamsin, MND should be your primary focus, but ATT really, really helps. So like, Atheling vs. MND, Atheling, but Morrigan feet vs. Attack boots, Morrigan feet.

    The build I'm using at the moment on BLU: (the hat is lulzy, but no maat's, and I get better numbers than Aias)

    Teal/Shadow Gorget/Flame Pearl/Brutal
    Morrigan's/Heafoc/Neptune's/Epona's
    Atheling/Shadow Belt/Morrigan's/Morrigan's

    The hands aren't ideal, but Smeirc's a dick, Athos is better. I go back and forth on Morrigan legs (+10 mnd) vs. Tumbler (+18 att).
    From what people have stated it's similar to Twilight Scythe's properties.


    My question: Ganesha's Mask or Raider's Bonnet+2. That +3% Triple Attack looks delicious, can get around 20% triple attack with it in my TP set. Comes down to 20ish attack vs 3% TA. I'm leaning towards TA due to AF2+2 feet and Demonry Ring's Triple Attack Damage+ on it and the extra TP I'll be getting rather than slightly higher DPS.

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    Rancor Collar for Drakesbane, Soil/Light/Shadow Gorget for Stardiver. I use Justicier's Torque for Jumps until I get Ganesha Mala; the best neck piece for Jumps.

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