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    Voidwatch NM Weaknesses

    Rather than resurrect an old post (which wasn't even a discussion specifically regarding Voidwatch) or have this mingled with and buried in the general Voidwatch discussion, I thought it was important to make it a separate topic for visibility. I'm not sure why this discussion hasn't been started yet.

    Like Abyssea, there has to be a list of procs for Voidwatch NM weakness staggers. This list encompasses far more abilities, weapon skills, and spells compared to Abyssea, but I do not believe that the list includes every magic spell, ability, and weapon skill in the game, so it would certainly be helpful to narrow the list down as far as possible.

    Please add to this list with replies and I'll keep the top post updated. If you're not sure if something staggered the mob, please say so and I'll put an asterisk next to it for confirmation. From now on, since Monday's update, there should be no question about what caused a proc since the name of the staggering player will come up in the log.

    Note that abilities, weapon skills, and spells cannot trigger weaknesses on "resist," "miss," or "no effect" with the exception of Dispel and Magic Finale which can proc on "no effect" but not "resist."

    *Need further confirmation on these spells/abilities/WSes as potential procs.

    Google Docs Spreadsheet of Weakness Staggers:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US&gid=0 (http://bit.ly/voidwatch)
    ^ The spreadsheet will be more up-to-date than this post.

    Abilities

    Black Mage: Enmity Douse
    Corsair: Ice Shot, Fire Shot, Wind Shot, Thunder Shot, Earth Shot*, Water Shot*
    Dancer: Box Step, Feather Step, Quickstep, Stutter Step, Animated Flourish*, Desperate Flourish*, Violent Flourish
    Dark Knight: Weapon Bash
    Dragoon: Angon, High Jump, Jump*, Spirit Jump*, Soul Jump*
    Monk: Chi Blast
    Paladin: Shield Bash
    Puppetmaster: Ventriloquy
    Ranger: Bounty Shot, Shadowbind
    Samurai: Blade Bash
    Scholar: Libra, Modus Veritas
    Warrior: Provoke, Tomahawk

    Other jobs do not have "ability" triggers for weaknesses.

    Avatar Blood Pacts: Any offensive, monster targeting blood pact (see spreadsheet for confirmed procs)
    Wyvern Abilities: Any offensive, monster targeting breath
    Pet Abilities (BST jug pets): Any offensive, monster targeting jug pet ability


    Weapon Skills

    Archery: Arching Arrow, Blast Arrow, Dulling Arrow*, Empyreal Arrow*, Flaming Arrow, Piercing Arrow*, Refulgent Arrow, Sidewinder

    Axe: Avalanche Axe, Bora Axe, Calamity*, Decimation*, Gale Axe, Mistral Axe, Raging Axe*, Rampage, Smash Axe*, Spinning Axe

    Automaton: Arcuballista, Armor Piercer*, Bone Crusher, Cannibal Blade*, Chimera Ripper*, Daze*, Knockout*, Magic Mortar*, Slapstick*, String Clipper

    Club: Black Halo, Brainshaker, Flash Nova, Judgment, Hexa Strike, Seraph Strike, Shining Strike, Skullbreaker*, True Strike

    Dagger: Aeolian Edge, Cyclone, Dancing Edge, Energy Drain, Energy Steal, Evisceration, Gust Slash, Shadowstitch, Shark Bite, Viper Bite, Wasp Sting

    Great Axe: Armor Break, Fell Cleave*, Full Break, Iron Tempest, Keen Edge, Raging Rush, Shield Break, Steel Cyclone, Sturmwind, Weapon Break

    Great Katana: Tachi: Ageha, Tachi: Enpi, Tachi: Gekko, Tachi: Goten, Tachi: Hobaku, Tachi: Jinpu, Tachi: Kagero, Tachi: Kasha*, Tachi: Koki, Tachi: Yukikaze

    Great Sword: Crescent Moon, Freezebite, Frostbite, Ground Strike, Hard Slash, Herculean Slash, Power Slash, Shockwave, Sickle Moon*, Spinning Slash

    Hand-to-hand: Asuran Fists, Backhand Blow, Combo, Dragon Kick, Howling Fist, One Inch Punch, Raging Fists, Shoulder Tackle, Spinning Attack, Tornado Kick*

    Katana: Blade: Chi*, Blade: Ei, Blade: Jin, Blade: Ku*, Blade: Rin*, Blade: Retsu*, Blade: Teki, Blade: Ten, Blade: To, Blade: Yu

    Marksmanship: Blast Shot, Detonator, Heavy Shot, Hot Shot*, Numbing Shot, Slug Shot, Sniper Shot, Split Shot*

    Polearm: Double Thrust*, Impulse Drive*, Leg Sweep, Penta Thrust*, Raiden Thrust*, Skewer, Sonic Thrust, Thunder Thrust, Vorpal Thrust*, Wheeling Thrust*

    Scythe: Cross Reaper, Dark Harvest, Guillotine, Infernal Scythe, Nightmare Scythe*, Shadow of Death, Slice, Spinning Scythe, Spiral Hell, Vorpal Scythe

    Staff: Cataclysm, Earth Crusher, Full Swing*, Heavy Swing, Retribution, Rock Crusher, Shell Crusher, Spirit Taker, Starburst, Sunburst

    Sword: Burning Blade*, Circle Blade, Fast Blade*, Flat Blade, Red Lotus Blade, Sanguine Blade, Savage Blade*, Seraph Blade*, Shining Blade, Spirits Within, Swift Blade, Vorpal Blade


    Magic

    Fire:
    Magic: Addle, Burn, Fire II, Fire III, Fire IV, Firaga, Firaga II, Firaga III, Firaja, Flare, Flare II, Pyrohelix
    Blue Magic: Heat Breath*, Firespit, Thermal Pulse, Blastbomb*, Lowing*
    Ninjutsu: Katon: Ichi, Katon: Ni, Katon: San
    Songs: Ice Threnody

    Earth:
    Magic: Geohelix*, Rasp, Slow, Slow II, Stone II, Stone III, Stone IV, Stonega, Stonega II, Stonega III, Stoneja, Quake, Quake II
    Blue Magic: Magnetite Cloud, Sandspin, Cimicine Discharge*
    Ninjutsu: Doton: Ichi, Doton: Ni, Doton: San, Hojo: Ichi*, Hojo: Ni
    Songs: Battlefield Elegy, Carnage Elegy*, Lightning Threnody

    Ice:
    Magic: Blizzaga, Blizzaga II, Blizzaga III, Blizzard II, Blizzard III, Blizzard IV, Cryohelix*, Freeze, Freeze II, Frost, Paralyze*, Paralyze II
    Blue Magic: Ice Break, Infrasonics, Cold Wave*, Frost Breath*
    Ninjutsu: Hyoton: Ichi, Hyoton: Ni, Hyoton: San, Jubaku: Ichi*
    Songs: Wind Threnody

    Wind:
    Magic: Aero II, Aero III, Aero IV, Aeroga, Aeroga II, Aeroga III, Aeroja, Anemohelix*, Choke, Tornado, Tornado II
    Blue Magic: Hecatomb Wave, Leafstorm, Mysterious Light, Reaving Wind*
    Ninjutsu: Huton: Ichi, Huton: Ni, Huton: San
    Songs: Earth Threnody

    Thunder:
    Magic: Burst, Burst II, Ionohelix*, Shock, Stun, Thundaga, Thundaga II, Thundaga III, Thunder II, Thunder III, Thunder IV
    Blue Magic: Charged Whisker, Mind Blast*, Temporal Shift, Blitzstrahl*
    Ninjutsu: Raiton: Ichi, Raiton: Ni, Raiton: San
    Songs: Water Threnody

    Water:
    Magic: Drown, Flood, Flood II, Hydrohelix*, Poison, Poison II, Poisonga, Water II, Water III, Water IV, Waterga, Waterga II, Waterga III, Waterja
    Blue Magic: Acrid Stream, Corrosive Ooze, Cursed Sphere, Maelstrom
    Ninjutsu: Aisha: Ichi, Dokumori: Ichi*, Suiton: Ichi, Suiton: Ni, Suiton: San
    Songs: Fire Threnody

    Light:
    Magic: Banish II, Banish III, Banishga, Banishga II, Dia II, Dia III*, Diaga, Flash, Holy, Luminohelix
    Blue Magic: Actinic Burst, Radiant Breath, Blank Gaze*
    Ninjutsu: None
    Songs: Dark Threnody, Magic Finale

    Darkness:
    Magic: Absorb-AGI*, Absorb-CHR*, Absorb-DEX, Absorb-INT*, Absorb-MND, Absorb-STR, Absorb-ACC, Absorb-TP, Absorb-VIT, Aspir, Aspir II*, Bio II, Bio III*, Blind, Blind II, Dispel, Drain, Drain II*, Noctohelix
    Blue Magic: Death Ray, Eyes on Me
    Ninjutsu: Kurayami: Ichi, Kurayami: Ni*, Yurin: Ichi
    Songs: Light Threnody

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    As a start, I'm going to slowly start digging through the 40-ish page VW discussion thread and see what info I can glean from there.

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    Blade: Jin and Atonement have both been used to proc.

    Also, pre-update Elemental Ichi proc

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    SCH JA:
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    We have gotten scholar abilities listed as a weakness so many times and our scholar has never gotten it to trigger after trying both libra and modus veritas. I don't believe the modus veritas has ever actually landed for effect, however.

    To add to the list, I triggered a club weakness with Flash Nova last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelob View Post
    We have gotten scholar abilities listed as a weakness so many times and our scholar has never gotten it to trigger after trying both libra and modus veritas. I don't believe the modus veritas has ever actually landed for effect.
    Modus Veritas being a proc is a bug because they gimped it after the whole SCH AV shit.

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    Note: The debuffs actually have to land to get proc from my experience, a resist will not net proc.

    RDM

    Slow 1, 2, Paralyze

    BLM Spells

    Tier 1-5, -ga 1-3, AM1 and 2, and -ja spells. I have proc'd most of the elements. If you need specifics I can provide them.

    Blind, Elemental debuffs (burn, rasp, shock, drown, for sure), Stun, Drain, Aspir

    NIN Spells

    Ichi, Ni, San lines for most spells. Kurayami: Ni and maybe once Aisha: Ichi (water, when it landed but not 100% sure).

    WHM

    Banish 3, Banishga 2, Holy

    SCH

    SCH Helixes for appropriate element has been shown to proc (i.e. Luminohelix for light, Noctohelix for dark has been seen from my group)

    Libra and Mord. Veritas is the JA

    Avatar

    Shiva's Rush

    Katana

    Blade: Ku

    Marksmanship

    Numbing Shot, Slugshot (I believe they all can proc, just can not specifically remember them)

    Archery

    Refulgent Arrow, Empyrean Arrow, Sidewinder, Dulling Shot, Hot shot, Blast Arrow

    Staff

    Cataclysm, Heavy Swing, Rock Crusher, Sunburst, Full Swing

    Axe

    Rampage, Decimation, Raging Axe

    Club

    Flash Nova, Black Halo

    Sword

    Flat Blade

    Dagger

    Eviceration, Aeolean Edge, Energy Drain

    I'll post more if I remember any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerodok View Post
    Modus Veritas being a proc is a bug because they gimped it after the whole SCH AV shit.
    10 minute ability getting "resisted" is bullshit, so if MV is a proc that would be awful, but if the message is coming up and it's not Libra, I don't see what else it could be besides MV.

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    BRD

    All Threnodies

    Both Elegies (earth)

    DRK

    Absorb spells (DEX, but this also will not work on Hahava for dark proc)

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    I would not be surprised if the full list of weapon skills for a particular weapon can be proc, because there aren't THAT many for each weapon. What I'm wondering more specifically is if, for instance, relic/mythic/empyrean WSes can be procs, but it's still worthwhile to go through this and check if every weapon skill can really be a proc or if the lists are more limited.

    For magic spells, I find it hard to believe that any magic spell with the proper element can be a proc, but I guess it's not totally out of the question since Voidwatch is heavily biased towards rewarding larger groups vs. smaller ones. Perhaps we should limit the construction of the magic list to everything we've seen proc since the update (Monday 7/11) instead of before, since generally so much spell spam would be going on that it was very difficult to figure out the one that proc'ed without the name identified.

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    The spells, JA and WS I have listed are confirmed procs. Most of them have been re-procs of since the July update (except the ones I have noted that is not 100%).

    The ones above are ones I have seen proc for the last 2 days.

    I have a low man group (PLD SMN BRD RDM WHM SCH BLM BLU) Core group and helpers/mules (COR NIN WAR BLM RNG)

    I am the BLM and NIN for proc so there is no overlap in who procs most of the time.

    Prior to update, after proc, we reconfirm messages to see which has disappeared to ensure who proc'd what element.

    BLU

    Mysterious Light, Hecatomb Wave, Ice Break (Last night)

    Edit: I have never seen Vidohunir proc on Staff for my BLM.

    Edit 2: BRD (Jomachines) in my group says Finale is proc, I remember Mord. Veritas proc because SCH (Gobbo) in my group was trying to proc SCH JA (it wasn't Libra) and once got Mord. Veritas to land and it proc.

    Edit 3: Sandspin, Thermal Pulse, Corrosive Ooze, Magnetite Cloud, also procs from BLU (Subucni) since update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slycer View Post
    I would not be surprised if the full list of weapon skills for a particular weapon can be proc, because there aren't THAT many for each weapon. What I'm wondering more specifically is if, for instance, relic/mythic/empyrean WSes can be procs, but it's still worthwhile to go through this and check if every weapon skill can really be a proc or if the lists are more limited.

    For magic spells, I find it hard to believe that any magic spell with the proper element can be a proc, but I guess it's not totally out of the question since Voidwatch is heavily biased towards rewarding larger groups vs. smaller ones. Perhaps we should limit the construction of the magic list to everything we've seen proc since the update (Monday 7/11) instead of before, since generally so much spell spam would be going on that it was very difficult to figure out the one that proc'ed without the name identified.
    That's a good idea. As someone who sorted through the Abyssea proc thread and pulled stuff out, I can tell you that you get a lot of bullshit reports that people are absolutely convinced of.

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    I've seen Catastrophy proc before. I'm hoping it was a fluke or something else proced at the same time as Cata. I was under the impression that any weaponskill can proc. We've esentially seen everything proc by now I think.

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    One thing to note are the tiered debuffs.

    For instance, let us say slow 1 is a proc. But if your RDM casts Slow 2 first, then tries to proc Slow 1, it will not work. You have to wait for slow 2 to wear. This goes the same for paralyze, elegy, poison (I usually do poison 1 > 2, wait for wear, poisonga), blind (spell and Kurayami: Ichi and Ni). Blind spell is also bad, since if BLM or RDM blind lands, NIN blind does not work.

    Poisonga is a proc. I will reconfirm Poison 1/2 when I see it again.

    Addle is also a proc for RDM.

    Edit: After tonight's run I will repost what procs were had from our runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryton View Post
    Edit: After tonight's run I will repost what procs were had from our runs.
    Yeah, for magic, let's just stick with procs that we have seen since Monday and can confirm with the message in the chat log that attributes the proc to a specific player. This way we can come up with an accurate list faster.

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    Since the update, the BLM spells that have been confirmed to proc (Kryton staggers the fiend, etc).

    Stone 1
    Stone 3
    Stonega
    Stoneja
    Fire 1
    Fire 3
    Fire 4
    Firaja
    Thunder 2
    Thunder 4
    Burst
    Burst 2
    Blizzaga 3
    Freeze
    Waterga
    Waterga 2
    Flood
    Flood 2
    Waterja

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slycer View Post
    I'm not sure why this discussion hasn't been started yet.
    Well partly because it could be really hard before now to tell what/who triggered the weakness proc. Typically several things fire off at once and you had to make a best guess as to what triggered it.

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    I think this is a full list of what COULD be the blue magic procs (i.e. the offensive magical blue magic spells associated with each element). Hopefully the actual list of procs is narrower than this, because it's a nightmare.

    Spoiler: show

    Earth
    Sandspin
    Magnetite Cloud
    Filamented Hold
    Cimicine Discharge

    Wind
    Chaotic Eye
    Mysterious Light
    Stinking Gas
    Frightful Roar
    Hecatomb Wave
    Flying Hip Press
    Feather Tickle
    Voracious Trunk
    Leafstorm
    Auroral Drape
    Reaving Wind

    Fire
    Blastbomb
    Bomb Toss
    Sound Blast
    Self-Destruct
    Firespit
    Lowing
    Heat Breath
    Blazing Bound
    Thermal Pulse

    Ice
    Ice Break
    Cold Wave
    Infrasonics
    Frost Breath

    Thunder
    Blitzstrahl
    Mind Blast
    Temporal Shift
    Charged Whisker

    Water
    Cursed Sphere
    Poison Breath
    Venom Shell
    Awful Eye
    Maelstrom
    Corrosive Ooze
    Regurgitation
    Acrid Stream
    Demoralizing Roar

    Darkness
    Blood Drain
    Soporific
    Death Ray
    Digest
    MP Drainkiss
    Geist Wall
    Blood Saber
    Jettatura
    Eyes On Me
    Sandspray
    Enervation
    Osmosis
    Dream Flower
    Everyone's Grudge

    Light
    Sheep Song
    Blank Gaze
    Radiant Breath
    Light of Penance
    1000 Needles
    Yawn
    Actinic Burst
    Magic Hammer

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