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    SCH JA:
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    Have you proc'd with it before? I've used it multitudes of times as SCH and I never got a hint msg once using it.

    Quote Originally Posted by xerodok View Post
    Modus Veritas being a proc is a bug because they gimped it after the whole SCH AV shit.
    Seriously. I've yet to land it once on a T3/T4.



    As for contribution, I've not done a VW since the update so I can confirm them 100%, but I'm pretty damn sure I proc'd Bio3 on RDM, as well as a Cure on Hahava.....can't recall which tier though.


    Also, are we assuming both NV/HV share the same set of abilities/spells/ws?

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    I'm pretty sure any weapon skill for any weapon is included in the proc list. We've had runs where we had to cycle through every H2H WS, with a PUP and a MNK in party (one had Verethragna). The only WS we couldn't attempt was the Relic WS and we kept getting H2H reads. When the mobs are popped it seems that they select a certain 10 or so procs from the entire pool, and you just have to find them all.

    We've had a SAM be forced to Merit Blade Bash to proc Sam Job Ability, so I'm sure anything obtained via Merits is also included in proc lists (spells included).

    I'm curious if anyone has been successful with any of the pet procs (SMN, BST, or PUP). I personally while on BST Proc'ed with Gauge one night while using it to find weaknesses.

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    From Tonight:

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    Aero III
    Aero IV
    Aisha: Ichi
    Arching Arrow
    Blade: Jin
    Blade: To
    Blast Arrow
    Blast Shot
    Bone Crusher (Puppet)
    Bounty Shot
    Burn
    Burst
    Charged Whisker
    Choke
    Dark Thren.
    Death Ray
    Dragon Kick
    Drain
    Energy Steal
    Enmity Douse
    Flame Breath (Wyvern)
    Flare
    Flash
    Flood
    Gust Slash
    Heavy Swing
    Hexa Strike
    Howling Fist
    Huton: Ni
    Infrasonics
    Leg Sweep
    Magenite Cloud
    Modus Veritas (Actually Landed on Harpy)
    Poison II
    Provoke
    Radiant Breath
    Retribution
    Rock Crusher
    Shield Bash
    Shoulder Tackle
    Skewer
    Spinning Attack
    Spirit Taker
    Stone III
    Stonega II
    Stun
    Stutter Step
    Tachi: Hobaku
    Tachi: Jinpu
    Ventriloquy 
    Waterga
    Weapon Bash
    Wind Shot
    Edit: Ventriloquy is a proc on "Puppetmaster JA's" not pet/automaton message.

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    Maelstrom
    Ice Threnody
    Tornado
    Mysterious Light
    Banish II
    Banish III
    Drown
    Stone II
    Holy Mist (Carbuncle)
    Tornado II
    Evisceration
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    Numbing Shot
    Poisonga
    Provoke
    Banishga II
    Dark Threnody
    Tachi: Jinpu
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    Suiton: San
    Hecatomb Wave
    Mistral Axe
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    Small list here:

    Flood II
    Stun
    Lightning Threnody
    Powerslash

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    I can confirm that at least 2 helices ( dont remember which, but do remember it was two different ones) can proc, as well as Modus Veritas (hit it 3 different times on t1/t2 mobs)

    The only 3 times i've seen SCH JA message it hasn't been libra. (small sample size etc)

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    sch's modus is not a bug

    it can land but its very difficult

    friend landed 1 in 3 tries on hahava

    and also...everything can proc even group 2 merits for magics...

    only thing that cant proc have a very small list like steal, mug, libra....

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    i've proc'ed with jishnu's radiance, tho i regret that i did not SS it, so i understand being told poidh.

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    Our group only has 6 ppl + a mule, our only melee are pld/war/nin(sometimes thf), rest are support/stun. Something our PLD noticed recently (after the july's patch) was that most of my weapons (I play war and have access to all the WSs a war can use atm) procs are MOST of the time: is either the 2nd WS learned from that weapon, or 290-300 skill one, or Empyreal (if available) > any random WS.

    This has been true for all my scythe procs have been with Dark Harvest, but on Gaxe it's either Iron Tempest, Fell cleave or Ukko's. We've also seen some random "out of order" procs that don't follow that criteria like Dancing Edge, but Gust Slash procs alot too. Or might be just random, it's only been 2 days since the patch, so who knows, but it might help to narrow things down.

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    Wind Threnody
    Blind II
    Tornado
    Diaga
    Water II
    Seraph Strike
    Huton: Ichi
    Avalanche Axe
    Katon: Ni
    Holy Mist (Carbuncle)
    Thermal Pulse
    Katon: San
    Diaga
    Provoke
    Hard Slash
    Freezebite
    Katon: Ichi
    Backhand Blow
    Poisonga

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    Katon: Ni
    Fire 2
    Firaga 3
    Flare 2
    Shining Blade
    Blizzaga
    Dark Threnody
    Earth threnody
    Luminohelix
    Eviceration
    Raiton: Ichi
    Raiton: Ni
    Flat Blade
    Slow
    Doton: Ni
    Doton: San
    Sniper Shot
    Shiva: Rush
    Diabolos: Somnolence
    Diabolos: Camisado
    Burn
    Addle
    Burst
    Thunder 2

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    So it definitely sounds like it's indeed everything for magic, but I still think its worth coming up with a list to see if there's a limit on what's included (especially for BLU stuff). As a random example, I haven't seen tier V magic come up as a proc in anyone's list since Monday. It looks like it takes seven jobs to guarantee every spell (BLU, RDM, WHM, SCH, BRD, BLM, NIN). SCH and WHM within that have the fewest exclusive procs.

    I'm wondering, if everything is really a possible proc, are spells a monster is immune to potential procs? For example, not that we could ever truly confirm this, but could silence or sleep come up as procs for wind, dark magic? It would be really lame, but they've already done this in the past by having drain/dispel/etc. be procs on undead NMs....

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    I've seen Cure proc on Asag

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    More SMN avatar reports would be really helpful. We got that as an HQ last night, and I was the only SMN ><. There are SO many blood pacts and the BP timer makes it impossible to test all offensive ones in any given fight.

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    Damn "___ abilities". Someone solve that and i'll be happy. Is it still showing up after the update?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martinius View Post
    i've proc'ed with jishnu's radiance, tho i regret that i did not SS it, so i understand being told poidh.
    I'm 95% certain I've proc'ed with fudo when voidwatch first came out but same as you I didn't take a pic so take that as you will.

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    Savage Blade and Red Lotus Blade are 2 sword procs too.

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    I see Diabolos & Carbuncle blood pacts as procs.

    When you guys are deciding which avatar to use, are you basing that off of the element it gives off? Or are you just randomly doing every avatar's blood pacts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manque View Post
    Damn "___ abilities". Someone solve that and i'll be happy. Is it still showing up after the update?
    No, this has been fixed. It doesn't look like it was replaced with anything that wasn't showing up before, so I'm thinking it was just a complete glitch that actually didn't correspond to anything.

    As far as SMN goes, I know the one I was with was just trying random things. He had Holy Mist work in the past so he tried it again last night and it worked (for two different BP staggers), but it also didn't work for at least one other. I'm pretty sure light was not one of the elemental procs at the time in either case, and the two messages are likely unrelated anyway since one corresponds to a magic spell and the other corresponds to a blood pact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerodok View Post
    I see Diabolos & Carbuncle blood pacts as procs.

    When you guys are deciding which avatar to use, are you basing that off of the element it gives off? Or are you just randomly doing every avatar's blood pacts?
    I was randomly doing every avatar's blood pacts. But enough reports of Holy Mist here that I will use that as a go-to from here on out.

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