Test Server Findings

[Nameless]

yea, it is very weird lol.

[Dimmauk]

Something about the wamoura is skewing my results. Resolution was indeed inferior to Torcleaver at wamoura, but when I switched to testing on trolls, Resolution pulled ahead again.

I went to VT worms in Gustav, and Torcleaver/Resolution were quite close.

Torc:

2133
2167
2259
2341
2067
2172

Resolution:

2105
2231
1738 (missed a hit or two)
2069
2188
2207

Alas I am late for Dynamis and must stop testing for now. I am confused about the wamoura, though. Bats, worms, trolls, and bombs tell me Resolution > Torcleaver, wamoura tell me Torcleaver >>> Resolution, even when all hits connect. I am baffled.

Moths strong to light/fire?

idk

[Foldypaws]

Ugh. Bad news on Stardiver testing.

All under Mighty Strikes/Berserk/Hasso/Sekkanoki + RCB on Marsh Murre outside of Nashmau. Crits showed that attack was capped. (985)

Using a spear (easiest polearm I could get for WAR). D=34, fSTR=11 -> 45, 185 STR *.85=148 WSC

Without Gorget: 2363,2360,2384

34+148*3*1.11 (crit bonus 3)*1.25(piercing weak)=757 minimum, *3.75=2838 minimum if hits 2-4 were 1.0 fTP. Expected damage from 3.0 fTP between 2271 and 2384, matches what's seen.

With Gorget: 2719,2651,2715,2596

Maximum damage @ 3.1 total fTP = 2.464, cannot be 3.1 total fTP. If 3.4 total fTP, damage expected between 2573 and 2702, (order of operations? fTP slightly above .75?).

With Gorget+DA: 3352,3334,3367. Damage range for 4.25 total fTP is 3217-3378. All DA WS fit within bounds.


tl;dr: Stardiver is almost certainly .75 fTP on all hits, and gorgets/belts apply to all hits.

This WS *needs* to be adjusted or it's worthless.

[Byrthnoth]

Hmm.... This is pretty much bad news for every WS except Upheaval. I wonder if it is 2 fTP across all hits with 300TP? haha

[Nameless]

It is good news for Resolution, it means with gorget/belt it is 6.00 ftp 100% str mod.

[Byrthnoth]

It is good news for Resolution, it means with gorget/belt it is 6.00 ftp 100% str mod.

Depends. It could only be the WSs with <1 fTP to start with. Upheaval would be 8fTP at 300TP if it applies there. Exenterator would be 6 fTP, etc.

[Greatguardian]

Hmm.... This is pretty much bad news for every WS except Upheaval. I wonder if it is 2 fTP across all hits with 300TP? haha

Wouldn't this be amazing news for Tachi: Shoha?

[dasva]

God all this new ws info is all over the place can't remember what's currently what anymore. What's the current ftps for them all right now lol?

So what looks like all of them might have same ftp on all hits? That could be rather interesting...

[noodles355]

Any other testing yet whether the FTP is the same for subsequent hits on the other WSs?

Also, I read the new dagger WS is great and the best unstacked WS outside Abyssea. Was curious how... is it just because of the higher FTP? Because with no extra TA/DA/QA, it has 5.00 ftp 100%AGI (5/5), whereas Dancing Edge has 6.1875 ftp (30%DEX 40%CHR)... coupled to the fact that most Dex gear also has other WS boosting stats like Attack, Str or Acc on the good pieces, whereas AGI gear doesn't.

How's it doing better than Dancing Edge?

[Atoreis]

Resolution benefits greatly from being in abyssea. If you use Apoc and A/O, you are almost certainly going to hit 8 times every WS, since each hit will then have 25% chance of TAing. However, as mobs start to get harder, Resolution becomes more inconsistent while Torcleaver largely stays the same. In abyssea you don't have to worry about ACC, so I wouldn't use that as place to test as Resolution should clearly perform better there.

No each hit by first and second hit but you still have right that it will benefit much more from it than 1hit WS like Torcleaver. Not to mention it will greatly benefit from STR+ from abyssea.

[dasva]

Any other testing yet whether the FTP is the same for subsequent hits on the other WSs?

Also, I read the new dagger WS is great and the best unstacked WS outside Abyssea. Was curious how... is it just because of the higher FTP? Because with no extra TA/DA/QA, it has 5.00 ftp 100%AGI (5/5), whereas Dancing Edge has 6.1875 ftp (30%DEX 40%CHR)... coupled to the fact that most Dex gear also has other WS boosting stats like Attack, Str or Acc on the good pieces, whereas AGI gear doesn't.

How's it doing better than Dancing Edge?

Not sure how you ask if it's because of higher ftp then show it to have lower... but the stat mod makes a huge difference. Your base dmg will end up being much largerly especially on low dmg weapons like daggers. Like over 50% higher

[Yugl]

Not sure how you ask if it's because of higher ftp then show it to have lower... but the stat mod makes a huge difference. Your base dmg will end up being much largerly especially on low dmg weapons like daggers. Like over 50% higher

This. Allocate 150 of each stat and do the multiplication and addition.

[dasva]

I wouldn't really allocate 150 to chr... maybe 80 or so tops. But yeah the difference is quite large. Also if gorget carries over on all hits like the others it's ftp would be decently higher as well

[Atoreis]

God all this new ws info is all over the place can't remember what's currently what anymore. What's the current ftps for them all right now lol?

So what looks like all of them might have same ftp on all hits? That could be rather interesting...

gobli

[Leva]

Maybe the DRG ws is nerfed cus SAM can use it?

[Nameless]

According to Studio Gobli, GK's second hit is 1.0 ftp, but it seems to have ratio bonus like g/k/y.

[dasva]

I hate gobli...

[Prothescar]

fTP and Gorget/Belt bonuses carrying to every hit only appears to be valid for the lower fTP weaponskills of the bunch, but not possible to prove that until every WS is tested for it.

Tachi: Shoha is 1.0fTP for the second hit and Gorget/Belt bonuses do not carry to the second hit. Will expand upon my sample size, but so far evidence suggests that this is the case.

[Nameless]

yea, in studio gobli they are trying to find out which one has ftp carrying over to all hits. They seem to believe GK doesn't as well.

[noodles355]

Not sure how you ask if it's because of higher ftp then show it to have lower... but the stat mod makes a huge difference. Your base dmg will end up being much largerly especially on low dmg weapons like daggers. Like over 50% higher

Sorry yes, meant "Is it just because of higher WSC?" And is it only better on paper because of the 100% AGI mod? Or is it in practice once you start thinking about gear options and how most choices will be Str/Acc/Att vs AGI (Whereas lots of Dex gear has Acc/Att/Str)?

Ok, think I understant it though, DE gets roughly 70-80 from WSC, New WS gets around 180, and 100 DMG is gonna beat the 10-20 Str and 50Attack you lose >.>
Wonder what'd be a good set for it though? With 100% AGI mod, how much str/att would beat out 1AGI? Wonder if things like Enkidu Harness would become great (5Str/Agi 10Acc/Att) or if the higher AGI from Loki's/Denali (11/10) would be better. Think atm I'm just planning on using TA gear with skadi hands instead of af1+1