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    Current Project: Job Traits

    After my post-Job Ability pause and some time playing FFXI-SNAP, I think I'm ready to undertake another specific project. That being, Job Traits!

    Fortunately for me, there are fewer job traits than job abilities and they're generally simpler to describe because they're all passive. Still, similar to my thread here, I will keep the OP updated (and shamelessly bumped) as I add questions. If anyone sees me writing something wrong, knows an original source, etc. I'd love to have it. If you feel like updating the pages yourself, look at the formatting on the pages I've done (starting from A) and have at it. Less work for me!

    Three overarching questions will be:
    1) How do we know that ____ job gets ____ trait at ____ level?
    2) What level does ___ job get ____ trait at, post-75?
    3) ___ Job trait appears to only have one level, but may many sub-levels that we don't even know about. Examples: Zanshin, Blood Boon, Killer traits

    If it lets you adjust your level freely, I'd imagine the test server makes discovering the answers to these things trivially easy in some cases, but it doesn't really help with problem 3. As such, I'd like to invite wild speculation about potential trait levels.

    Job Specific Questions:

    BLU:
    * Where is the Auto-Refresh testing?
    * Can BLU get Beast Killer II?

    BST:
    * Where is the Beast Healer testing?
    * I need to test Seiryu's Sword's Plantoid Killer potency.
    * I need to test Exorcist's Hose's Undead Killer potency.

    BLM:
    * Where is the Elemental Celerity testing, if it exists? If not, what % does Elemental Celerity decrease cast time by? Could someone test as a 50 BLM and see if there are trait tiers?

    DRG:
    * Do Wyverns actually have Dragon Killer?
    * It would be nice to have a solid level for Dragon Killer II, but it may never happen.
    * Empathy perhaps warrants some kind of subtemplate.

    MNK:
    * Kick Attacks I, what is the proc rate?
    * All of those "Kick Damage +X" boots. Where is the testing?

    NIN:
    * Ninja Tool Expertise proc rate for Koga Hands/+1, Gosha Sash, and Oirandori. Where is the testing?

    RNG:
    * Rapid Shot testing, tiers, proc rates, etc.?
    * Rapid shot gear testing?
    * Recycle gear testing?
    * Snapshot gear needs some serious love considering how important it could be.

    SAM:
    * Do SAMs get Demon Killer II?

    THF:
    * Where is the testing that shows Aura Steal increases by 20% per merit level? I've heard accounts of people failing to steal buffs with it at 5/5.
    * Has there ever been any testing related to Gilfinder? Are there Gilfinder tiers? What exactly does Gilfinder do?

    WHM:
    * What does Yagrush 80/85/90 do to Divine Benison?

    General Trait questions:

    Conserve TP - Where is the testing from Alla?
    Critical Defense Bonus - Does anyone know what this does? Based on the description and comparison to Crit Attack Bonus, I'd expect it to reduce enemy critical hit damage instead of enemy critical hit rate.
    Max MP Boost - Can BLU get level 2 Max MP Boost trait on the test servers?
    Max HP Boost - How solid are the max HP boost numbers, and how would we test them? Also, what level does MNK get the traits?
    Snapshot - We are missing a lot of information about this ability. Does it affect ammo (reloading) delay? What are the values on all the gear for it?
    Shield Defense Bonus - What does it do, what are the tiers, etc.?
    Shield Mastery - You can see the verification tag. What did the original author mean? En-stun maybe? Is there another tier between 75 and 95?
    Tranquil Heart - Need better tiers.
    Wide Scan - What is a good way to quantify Wide Scan range, and what are the ranges?



    Current Progress: Down to four major traits (Subtle Blow, Treasure Hunter, Magic Defense Bonus, and Auto Refresh)

    Skipped:
    * Auto-Refresh
    * MDB
    * Subtle Blow
    * Treasure Hunter

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    Aura Steal
    Adds a Dispel effect to Steal.
    Occasionally absorbs dispelled effect.
    Increase absorb rate by 20 percent.

    From the actual merit menu, unless you suspect that the merit is not actually doing what is says

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    Ye, and by the sounds of that it doesn't have to be 100% after 5 merits. Initial merit could be less, then every merit an additional 20%.
    That, or every merit level increases the current absorb rate by 20%, which would end up with far less than 100% then.

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    Yeah, I was mostly going off the testimonial. He was fairly explicit that there were times when he could dispel but couldn't absorb, and other times when he couldn't even dispel. I've updated the page to be this.

    Does anyone know where the Alla Conserve TP testing is? I've heard it referenced (and referenced it myself) but haven't had much luck finding it.

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    For Aura Steal, even if it's a 100% absorb rate, you still have to "successfully" steal. You can fail the steal which means you wont dispel/absorb anything. +Steal Gear increases chances of a successful steal but I wouldn't gear for that as you only occasionally miss an Aura Steal.

    Edit:

    Also, in regards to BLU traits, SE released this on the Official Forums in the Blue Mage Job Manifesto Thread.

    The below job traits are set so they can be enhanced.

    Dual Wield/Fast Cast/Store TP/HPmax/MPmax/Auto Regen/Counter/Magic Burst Bonus/Skill Chain Bonus

    While it is not possible to enhance all of the above job traits at level 90, with further level cap increase and the addition of new blue magic spells it will be possible to enhance them.

    Also, when double attack/gilfinder are enhanced, we are planning to have them change into triple attack/treasure hunter.
    As of right now, only Dual Wield and Clear Mind are upgradable to higher tiers. After some testing on the Lv 95 test servers (by Rocl I believe) Store TP and Double Attack > Triple Attack are upgradable. Others either haven't been discovered or aren't upgradable until the Lv 99 cap.

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    Bumping because I'm up to K and have more questions.

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    Now I'm up to R (skipped ~3) and have more questions. If anyone is looking for something to do on the test server, that's by far the best place to test this stuff because you can just edit your main job level.

    Can anyone think of a way that I could approach the Resist traits? >.>;

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    I can attest that at 90, at least, PLD still only has shield mastery 3. Still getting 5 tp per block. 2 from the base hit, and 3 from the trait.

    Unfortunately, I'm not on the test server so I dunno about lvl 95. Just seemed like a major pain in the ass to get started. But I might have to give it another look. It really would be amazing for testing things like Shield def bonus.

    I actually started some shield def bonus testing back when I was first testing Ochain's block rate and dmg reduction. But I stopped when I started having trouble getting a lvl 76 and 77 sync.

    I might dig some of that data back out. It's not complete, and the lvl capped sample was a bit small, but maybe we can draw some preliminary conclusions from it.

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    Shield Def Bonus Tests.

    Tested on monitors in abyssea - grauberg
    Raw Data
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    Code:
    LVL90 Koenig Shield
    Blocked hits
    DMG	#hits
    24	86
    25	301
    26	56
    27	75
    28	45
    29	70
    30	45
    31	53
    32	50
    33	55
    34	52
    35	55
    36	50
    37	49
    38	74
    39	42
    40	66
    41	63
    42	54
    43	52
    44	49
    46	8
    47	2
    Total #1452
    AVG	32.27
    
    Unblocked hits
    DMG	#hits
    79	86
    80	91
    81	97
    82	94
    83	30
    84	46
    85	23
    86	23
    87	22
    88	18
    89	19
    90	19
    91	30
    92	24
    93	18
    94	17
    95	27
    96	20
    97	21
    98	24
    99	23
    100	22
    101	14
    102	12
    103	13
    104	17
    105	24
    106	18
    107	22
    108	19
    109	15
    110	26
    111	22
    112	27
    113	23
    114	23
    115	12
    116	27
    117	19
    118	21
    119	19
    120	15
    121	19
    122	15
    123	17
    124	19
    125	26
    126	20
    127	21
    128	27
    129	13
    130	20
    131	14
    132	12
    133	7
    134	7
    135	2
    136	1
    137	2
    Total #1424
    AVG	99.81
    	
    block rate	50%
    Base 	99.8
    Blocked	32.2
    reduction%	-67.73
    
    
    
    LVL76 Koenig shield
    blocked
    DMG	#hits
    30	3
    31	17
    32	8
    33	12
    34	10
    35	8
    36	7
    37	21
    38	10
    39	13
    40	16
    41	10
    42	16
    43	9
    44	14
    45	7
    46	10
    47	13
    48	10
    49	14
    50	4
    51	11
    52	12
    53	21
    54	14
    55	9
    56	4
    57	3
    58	7
    59	3
    60	4
    61	4
    62	7
    63	5
    64	1
    65	3
    total#340
    AVG 47.5
    
    Unblock	
    DMG	#
    79	5
    80	8
    81	7
    82	7
    83	1
    84	3
    85	8
    86	7
    87	5
    88	5
    89	5
    90	5
    91	2
    92	3
    93	7
    94	7
    95	5
    96	10
    97	6
    98	11
    99	5
    100	5
    101	2
    102	7
    103	10
    104	5
    105	13
    106	11
    107	6
    108	12
    109	7
    110	7
    111	8
    112	6
    113	7
    114	5
    115	4
    116	4
    117	8
    118	6
    119	4
    120	10
    121	8
    122	3
    123	6
    124	4
    125	3
    126	4
    127	5
    128	8
    129	6
    130	11
    131	5
    132	11
    133	9
    134	12
    135	5
    136	7
    137	9
    138	9
    139	5
    140	7
    141	11
    142	6
    143	4
    144	5
    145	6
    146	5
    147	6
    149	5
    150	6
    151	5
    152	3
    153	3
    155	2
    156	2
    157	2
    158	4
    159	1
    160	1
    161	2
    162	1
    163	3
    164	4
    165	2
    166	2
    167	1
    168	2
    170	1
    172	1
    169	4
    170	2
    171	1
    Total#509
    AVG 125.43
    
    Koenig76
    
    Block Rate	40%
    Base 	        125.43
    Blocked	47.5
    reduction%	-62.13

    So, from the data here

    Koenig90
    Base 99.8
    Blocked 32.2
    reduction% -67.73

    Koenig76
    Base 125.43
    Blocked 47.5
    reduction% -62.13

    This would put LVL 90 shield def bonus at 5.6% additional dmg reduction.

    I'd still take this with a grain of salt, as the lvl 76 sample size is bloody small for any kinda precision.

    But still, since the lvl 76 dmg reduction fell very close to where I would have expected form the current shield dmg- formulas, I feel it's not too far off.

    Kite size(50%)+(22def/2)=61% DMG reduction whereas I got 62%. Within variance for the sample size I'd say.

    I've also got some Ochain and Creed hands+2 data around here somewhere if it's needed.

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    About the Shield mastery page. Koenig schaller can get +1~2 Shield Mastery. Kaiser can get +1~3.

    I started a BG wiki account,and was going to edit that in myself, but it wouldn't let let me. So I'm noting this here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martel View Post
    About the Shield mastery page. Koenig schaller can get +1~2 Shield Mastery. Kaiser can get +1~3.

    I started a BG wiki account,and was going to edit that in myself, but it wouldn't let let me. So I'm noting this here.
    Well, looks like Byrthnoth already got it. But if you have any troubles editing pages when you are logged on (so long as the pages aren't protected) please let me know and I can see if I can find the problem.

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    I was reading the JP wiki and noticed some info that could be added to BG wiki for DRG-related stuff:

    Spirit Surge
    -Apparently adds +50 acc and the HP bonus to the DRG is 25% of the Wyvern HP.
    -The defense down effect on Jump is also 20% with a 60 second duration.
    -The amount of TP reduced on the target from High Jump= Damage*2.

    Spirit Link
    -MND increases the amount of HP the Wyvern recovers.

    Conserve TP
    -Apparently has 5 tiers at Levels 45, 58, 71 and 84, 97. The chance of proc starts at 15% for the first tier, 18% for II, 21% at III and 24% at IV and 27% at 97.

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    To add to the aura steal you just have to read the text really carefully. It adds dispel effect AND then can absorb the dispelled effect. So even if you have a 100% chance to absorb the dispelled effect if you didn't dispel anything 0*100% is still 0. Basically from what I've seen first the game checks to see if you actuallly steal an item. Then if you don't it checks to see if you steal a buff. Generally speaking buff stealing is very accurate. Then based on merits checks to see what chance it has of absorbing. Also I did play a little with it before fully meritting and as far as I saw further merits only effect the rate of absorbtion not dispel rate though didn't do heavy testing or even real nm testing

    As far as what the rate means it's hard to say given the lack of helpful in game text on sucess. While I have remembered on a rare occasion getting the animation for something being dispelled/stolen and not seeing any buff it is much rarer then 20% with full 5/5 merits to the point it makes me think there are other things at work such as maybe just some kind of error. Or certain monster buffs overwriting/being overwritten by our own buffs differently (attack buffs noticably are kinda odd on how and which ones stack with ones we have), or possibly they just wore really damn quick, or maybe they just programmed some mobs where you can't have there buffs or certain of there buffs. I'd say some combination though. I know the last one is definitely true since I've definitely stolen a few certain nms over and over again and definitely dispelled but never once got the corresponding buffs. Most notably I've noticed Burlo since there is no other way I think you can dispel his move which does kinda suck and I fought him on thf quite a few times before I realized it was just better/easier to use pld. It might have something to do with Brulo's extreme resistances to enfeebling in general or perhaps they just didn't want me to get the huge attack speed boost idk. Actually I don't think you can steal a few other attack speed boosts as well...

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