The Official Forums III: It goes on forever, now.

[TybudX]

There goes the weekend.

[GoggleHead]

People are arguing that Rajas Ring isn't the best thing since sliced bread.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post194189

Spoiler: show

Rajas really isn't as good as people make it out to be. Only 2~5 Dex and Str. Subtle blow can kiss my ass for accuracy buffs or damage buffs, and store tp should never be enough of an issue if you're meleeing correctly. Especially as a dancer or thief or anything else that unrelentingly pounds on a target.


That being said, I would use it on Samurai, if I used it as more than a sub job.

[Shin Volcano]

Hey... Tamas is just fine... you don't need anything if you don't want it... you may think the Rajas is better... doesn't mean everyone else has to.

Source
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l-game./page11

How do you respond to something like this..

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...lmimpliedf.jpg

[Karbuncle]

Pchan jumping in at the chance to say lolBG again.

[Mairja]

Pchan jumping in at the chance to say lolBG again.

Because aneiros annulet and ring don't exist. LolBG. The truth is store TP is pretty useless nowadays. You spend your time turning your back until stuff procs...

That made me wtf so much. SO much.

[NynJa]

People are arguing that Rajas Ring isn't the best thing since sliced bread.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post194189

Not that I'm saying Rajas is overrated, but the quote you posted wasnt the best to quote. He's right, STP on thf, while not to be undervalued, is a lot harder to gear for between Dual Wield, Triple Attack and Brutal Earring since you'll be taking anywhere from 2-6 swings per attack round, and the likelyhood you'll wind up shooting well over 100% TP is pretty high. On DNC I'm not so sure, since I never really play it, but I'd presume between all their methods of random TP spending for steps and waltzes makes gearing STP to an X-hit useless. STP is more concise on a 2h job.

Having said that, it would be nice if it got an overhaul to lv90.

[GoggleHead]

Well if it makes you feel any better we've now got someone defending Tamas based on the fact that it gives MP+.

[grevenilvec75]

Well if it makes you feel any better we've now got someone defending Tamas based on the fact that it gives MP+.

I like tamas for the -enmity. Really is/was the best ring to use for everything magey (except nukes).

I traded mine for a rajas for my DNC, but if it gets boosted up to 7/8INT i'd prob reobtain my tamas.

[Aver]

Fuckyea, MP.

Don't get me wrong, back @ 75 when I only had blm/whm/rdm/smn and had absolutely no plans on leveling a melee I <3'd the hell out of my tamas, but then I saw the light.

Now, it gets outdone by everything with the exception of the minuscule -enmity it gives.

[GoggleHead]

Spoilered to prevent /headdesk.

Spoiler: show

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post194438

[Mairja]

Oh god I got a good laugh out of this:

I'll counter with Rajas's break down.

STR +5
For on handed weapons, that only equals 2 ATK. 3 ATK for two handed weapons. Obviously, there are other rings that out classes that.

DEX +5
If you're going for crit damage on a job that doesn't rely on crit or low chance of crit damaging, why bother? ACC is not much of an issue lately if you actually skill up your job. With all the gear swamping and more gear that offers a lot of ACC, it's not as great.

Store TP +5
This is still great for one handed weapons, but for duel wielders with multi attack weapons, most don't notice the effect of store tp if it even procs because it's always gained back in rapid succession.

Subtle Blow +5
Heed Ring gives STB +7 plus the 3 ACC that the dex would give from rajas. Nevermind the slew of gear in other slots that give STB too, like Toreoro Torque with 9 eva and STB.

Rajas ring is as outdated as Tamas ring at this point.

Store TP has to proc like haste?

[Shin Volcano]

Rosina has...met her match.

[Aurara]

ITT: Store TP procs.

[Mairja]

Soranika's response:

Meh, thinking of conserve mp. Whatever, my argument still stands.

Conserve mp = store TP?

I know what they mean (conserve TP), purposely being bitchy though - if you don't know the difference then you shouldn't get involved in a discussion like that.

[Aurara]

I tried explaining it in simple terms...idk if i got the point across...

[Mairja]

Amazed that the "test server is more fun than the real game" thread hasn't been locked yet.

Pchan giving me a headache. I might actually add him to my ignore list.

[Lyall]

When visions clash

So, considering SE did a 180 on NIN and went from "damage support puller" to "tank", is it possible other jobs could go through this change in vision?

Masters of ninjutsu who can handle both offense and defense, adjusting to the tides of battle at a moment's notice.

We'd like to see ninjas succeed at taking the heat off other party members by drawing enemies' attention and adroitly evading their attacks or slinking around in the shadows to strike with physical attacks and elemental ninjutsu while the target is otherwise occupied.

The obvious follow up topic is of course melee SMN. It has a very strong support (roughly the same as melee RDM), and it has just like NIN evolved from players observing what the job is capable of.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-visions-clash

I don't even have to say anything, I think.

Traits:
- Accuracy Bonus I (level 50?)
- Subtle blow up to tier IV
- Avatars subtle blow to tier IV as well

Weaponskills:
- All staff weapon skills

Abilities:
- An ability that allows you to transfer TP from avatar to SMN (level 60?)
- An ability that consumes a spirit to enhance your elemental resistance and give you an en-spell effect (level 20?)

Armors:
More hybrids like:
- 5% haste, 5% pet haste, Store TP+10
- -3 perpetuation, pet accuracy, pet Double Attack
- +MP, +STR, TP bonus, Summoning magic +5
And similar mixes.

Oh jesus it gets even better

I am not sure ninja is a tank as you make it out to be. From my experience in abyssea ninja is the third best DD only out classed by war and maybe blm.

And one more

Dancer is a bad useless job with no point though. SMN has alexander/voidwatch and RDM has outside abyssea.

[Myrrh_Quetz]

Melee Smns make me want to rage so hardcore. Fucking idiots.

[Lyall]

BUT THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT TO PLAY THE GAME

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN

[gaira]

one thing anal/korpg got right is definitely true, though. today's bg is still knowledgeable way before most sites, but only due to the efforts of a much smaller group. don't get me wrong, good info is tested and prevails here, but most of you are just bandwagoners who think you're entitled to some special status because you post here.

reading the official forum posts is good for a laugh, no doubt, but let's be honest. it's not like the quality of bg has risen sufficiently over time to combat the rest of the community's stupidity. it's still pretty much just a few good eggs carrying a bunch of opportunistic wannabes who think they're entitled to bash people who get in their way during the course of play.