Yeah man, if you keep saying "stop" and "you're stupid! derp!" you totally seem like you know what you're talking about, and you make a very strong argument against what I've said. This sure is a fun debate, isn't it? With me using facts and reason and you sniffing your own colon.
I haven't been elaborating because others have already chimed in. You've been called out over and over, but you want to focus on the poster that's barely said anything to you because I know how ridiculous it is to attempt having a logical "debate," with you.
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What more needs to be said?
You quoted two people who, in the first post, clearly didnt see what I was talking about. The latter never addressed any actual point I had made. But if you want to get into this..What more needs to be said?
Random insult that means literally nothing. I mean really, what does this mean?For someone who hates modern politicians, you sure love talking like them.
I addressed this point with logical backing and evidence in one post down. I never claimed to have any solutions the any of the problems I laid out. Like I said, I can be a doctor and say you have cancer and not know how to solve it, but that doesn't mean the diagnosis is wrong.He's saying that you're making a lot of broad, sweeping accusations and generalizations grounded in concepts without a single ounce of productive thought or inclination towards real world changes. You have made assertions while providing absolutely no logical backing or evidence to support them. You write a lot and say absolutely nothing at all. You don't identify any specific problems with the current political system, nor do you offer specific solutions that can be implemented to remedy those problems. You avoid the absolute tense, and talk about how things might be, or how people might feel, rather than pursuing how you feel and what you are actually doing about anything.
Summary: You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and you use flowery language to cover it up while still attempting to sound like you aren't a total tool. Sounds pretty similar to standard political speech to me.
Addressed this point by point.That's just it. There is no simple solution. The problem is enormously complex, and cannot hope to be condensed to the point where a simple change or two would solve it.
It is fine to say "I am unhappy with the way my country is treating me", but it is not necessarily helpful without a clear understanding of what exactly the country is doing that makes one unhappy.
Is it because exceedingly right-wing politicians are in office, or the fact that people are voting these politicians in? If the latter, how are these people being elected and what can be done on the individual and community levels to prevent this?
Is it because the media under/over reports topics in a way that you find inappropriate? If so, what can you do to remedy this?
The biggest problem with the "movement" as it stands now, is that the people who are participating in it are not necessarily the people who are actually affected by the wrongs they are seeking to redress. They are a directionless, purposeless mass whose individual motivations crumble under the slightest of scrutiny. How many of these teenagers and 20-odds have lost their job, or their home to this economy? How many have suffered from civil or social oppression by the hands of these notorious tea party fiends? How many have had their personal and communal tragedies go unreported by the media, while FOX News covers Miley Cyrus' 18th birthday?
It's easy for the political and professional community of this country to ignore what they see as nothing more than a mass of whiny, angsty teenagers who want nothing more than a few days out of school, some hippie sex, and the feeling that they stood up to the man.
If these people want to actually make a difference, they need to pick a single grievance, present a feasible, equitable solution, and focus on it. Doing this, they're far more likely to get people with a vested interest in being there rather than the \b\ "Dude, NYC is only like, a $50 bus ride away, we should totally go troll some wall street dudes" crowd.
Completely random anecdote that has nothing to do with this conversation.A good chunk of my friends show up to shit like this rally just to troll and steal random equipment from the cops (their current goal is an intact riot shield). Proposing that the vast majority of the people there have a legitimate grievance is laughable. This is anon we're talking about. Anon is fucking retarded.
So what's left to be said? On your side, a lot apparently.
Another example would be the batshit anti-human/anti-science vegans and teenage girls in PETA harming all sane environmental causes. No one wants to protest paving over endangered wetlands when they get lumped in with the smelly-ass "sea kittens" people who cry every time a Bambi gets made into stew.
Gaditran, why do you feel the need to post such aimless statements, gross generalizations, or just plain redundant banter just to say, in more ways than one: "that's like, your opinion, dude."
PETA is a terrible example of activism. It's operations resemble little of a civil rights organization and more of a "charity" with a hidden-agenda.
You want to make blanket statements about how all protesting/civil disobedience is futile or ill-conceived, be my guest. But, there's a reason why places in the world, like Bolivia for instance, do not fear their corporate masters as we do.
I haven't read most of this thread, but I believe you got indirectly called out at the top of this page and chose to ignore it.
If you want to have a debate on the benefits of legalization vs criminalization of pot, shit, I'll make the thread. Pretty sure you have no idea what you're saying because while there are plenty of uninformed smokers, they're the minority these days.
Please don't attempt to compare legalization activists to shit like "anonymous" staging a "protest of... wall street..." again, because you cannot defend that argument.
C'mon son, its Titty Tuesday. Go do something more productive.
This wasnt even an anonymous protest. This protest has been in the works for awhile, and Anonymous just joined the cause. It has very little to do with them. In terms of cannabis, it was a bad point, just like every point made here. If we're going to use that example at all, it would be just like Plow's point here. Just because some of the people there can be fit into a category of uniformed hippy, doesn't mean that is all of the people there. This seems to be a way to discredit the protest rather than take it seriously, which is funny because thats what you're trying to do to me in this thread. You've addressed none of my points, tried to group me in with the fringe "conspiracy theorist" category, and repeatedly tried to attack me, rather than my ideas.
If this is anything, its debating for ignoramuses who have no grip on reality. If you want to actually debate any of these points, and not just throw ad hominems, then come at me bro. Otherwise, continue to beat around the bush and not actually explain in a logical manner the points you wish to take issue with and your rationality behind the issue. If you manage to make some sound points and prove me wrong here, I'd be happy to change my mind.
This is the problem. We disagree on a fundamental level. You know as well as I do that you're not changing your mind about it. Opinions aren't right or wrong. That's why I'm not going to sit here and write a novel back and forth trying to explain it. It'd just be an exercise in futility. Even this, I know, will be something you point to and go "seeeee! You don't have any legitimate points cuz you didn't say anything specific! You just say herp deh derp!"
In case you missed it though, I am curious why you're not there.
No, see, they are right or wrong. Thats fucking outrageous, lol. Your opinion is about a fact, and is easily disprovable. My opinion is the world is flat, tadah! I'm wrong! This is a cop out. And sadly, the go to phrase when people realize they're just wrong but are too ignorant to change their mind. I know it might hurt to admit your wrong, so I understand why you'd want to shelter yourself like this.
Because I don't live any where near New York and even if I flew out there, I would not be able to stay for any reasonable amount of time because I have class and a job.In case you missed it though, I am curious why you're not there.
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Day 4. Crowd seems a bit bigger than yesterday.
Earlier in the day:
Good.
It doesn't matter if it starts small, as long as it snowballs.
My uncle is planning on going there, he had a doctor's appointment so couldn't be there at the beginning lol. He's an ex-vietnam vet, so he like goes to all the protests at wallstreet/washington.