Stats and how they work.

**Buttons** · 2012-03-13 01:33

Wow Fievel thanks for the Regen tests. Seems our WHM AF enhancements are good, yay I can keep looking awesome. :D

I would have done some cure tests already with the AF body but since we can't heal over max HP anymore it is a bit tedious and daunting to test.

**Rocl** · 2012-03-13 02:30

very basic af body test:

Spoiler: show

now is emergency maintenance ;-; so I'm done for now. i'll go back and check cura and maybe curaga later, but it's a sizable gain from AF body... something like 10%? ugh, controlling my HP with just Blissful Mind is annoying as hell

**Niiro** · 2012-03-13 03:11

Not a huge sample but 10% seems pretty likely.

No body mean: 616
With body mean: 675
616 x 1.1 = 677

Wouldn't be too hard to nail down given the even distribution of values XIV's mechanics work with (if you really wanna test it just find a 40-something mob and let it wail on you).

**Buttons** · 2012-03-13 04:18

10% seems very nice. If it does the same for Cura and Curaga I'll be even more happy. That AF body is my favourite piece, looks so cool. :D Thanks for the tests. ^_^

I need to update the first post with links to all the different tests in this thread, I will try and get it done this week sometime.

**Rocl** · 2012-03-13 05:15

Maintenance ended so I "collected more data." I have excluded all crits except 2 Curaga crits (the only time I got one w/o and one w/ AF)

Same stats: 186 VIT
w/o AF: 303 MND; 484 Healing
w/ AF: 310 MND; 486 Healing

Cure data: [incl. my other post]

Spoiler: show

Cura data:

Spoiler: show

Curaga data:

Spoiler: show

Cure average w/o body: 616
Cure average w/ body: 672

Cura average w/o body: 1264
Cura average w/ body: 1359

Curaga average w/o body: 1072
Curaga average w/ body: 1168

Armchair math gives me somewhere between 7~8%? idk. It definitely affects all Cures, and it seems to either be under 10% or is put into the equation funnily.

bonus information: it doesn't seem to affect Second Wind if you were curious

**tachikoma** · 2012-03-13 11:30

thanks for the testing rocl, basically it confirms to me that the whm body is BIS

**Niiro** · 2012-03-13 15:53

Originally Posted by Rocl

Maintenance ended so I "collected more data." I have excluded all crits except 2 Curaga crits (the only time I got one w/o and one w/ AF)

Same stats: 186 VIT
w/o AF: 303 MND; 484 Healing
w/ AF: 310 MND; 486 Healing

Cure data: [incl. my other post]

Spoiler: show

Cura data:

Spoiler: show

Curaga data:

Spoiler: show

Cure average w/o body: 616
Cure average w/ body: 672

Cura average w/o body: 1264
Cura average w/ body: 1359

Curaga average w/o body: 1072
Curaga average w/ body: 1168

Armchair math gives me somewhere between 7~8%? idk. It definitely affects all Cures, and it seems to either be under 10% or is put into the equation funnily.

bonus information: it doesn't seem to affect Second Wind if you were curious

You'd need to do more casts to get a proper average, at least until you get 2 of the same lowest and highest values (since they're the only ones that matter).

**tachikoma** · 2012-03-22 09:31

The enmity points for many actions have changed, Voke seems to be closer to 1k enmity. Chameleon is now around 1200 enmity reduction. Changing my dex provided no change in enmity loss. Collusion causes 100% of dmg dealt to be transferred to the user of collusion. You can even pull by collusioning pre pull. Freeze is strait dmg converted into enmity reduction point for point.

**Niiro** · 2012-03-22 09:35

Did DEX previously effect collusion or something?

**TacoTaru** · 2012-03-22 10:14

DEX now affects Chameleon enmity reduction (according to the patch notes).

**Lokus** · 2012-03-22 10:25

Cures from Holy Succor seems to be straight 1:1. Haven't tested the additional cure from curing someone else yet.

**tachikoma** · 2012-03-23 13:07

Originally Posted by TacoTaru

DEX now affects Chameleon enmity reduction (according to the patch notes).

Adding 50 dex provided no change in enmity reduction

**tachikoma** · 2012-03-23 13:09

Whats the "Fake Numbers" in my sig for? never paid attention but that one seems to stick out at me.

**Niiro** · 2012-03-23 13:41

Your title, unless you get a custom one it changes with your post count.

**Toth** · 2012-03-25 10:34

Do we know how much mag potency improved damage? Is it similar to MAB in 11? Also, does it for INT improve spell damage the most?

**Niiro** · 2012-03-25 11:31

I could have sworn Kaeoko did INT/Matk testing but I can't find it, from what I remember (wherever I read it) I can only remember 2 things really; Matk doesn't work like MAB (not a % increase) and can cap, and INT doesn't cap.

As far as which increases damage more point-for-point I don't remember what the testing had to say, but I think the tester generally favored INT.

**Kaeko** · 2012-03-25 14:53

I haven't posted the MATK info because I want to be thorough first. But I can tell you ahead of time:

Point for point, MATK > INT for every spell in the game except Thundara on Combo (for reasons I won't get into here)
Point for point, INT > MATK by FAR when using Thundara on Combo
MATK > INT still for higher tier spells, but the difference is not as big for upper tier spells like Thundaga
Thundara on Combo becomes more efficient the less damage spells deal (for whatever reason, whether it is dlvl or resistance). Examples of this are Ifrit and Chimera.
INT, MATK, elemental potency are the only 3 "player controlled" stats that affect your non-critical damage with the exception of Holy, which has an additional MND modifier.
There is a MATK cap. You will never hit it on anything you care about.

I haven't started writing up MATK stuff on the blog yet so it'll be awhile before anything formal is up. There are still aspects of the formula I'm having difficulties with. Currently working with Seiken to flesh out things, but if it takes too long I'll just go ahead and post what I have.

**Buttons** · 2012-03-26 09:42

Wow Kaeko, that's very interesting. Thanks so much.

I had always thought it was INT after your magic acc was high enough. Guess these results will make people reevaluate some gear such as Mage's Halfgloves, Ifrit's Cudgel and Aubriest's Allegory, if their magic acc is high enough that is. ^^

And I still have not gotten around to redoing the OP with all the links, I keep forgetting or when I remember I am busy. @.@

**Kaeko** · 2012-03-26 09:48

Thanks Buttons!

I'll probably start to write up what I have first. Really the parts Seiken and I haven't figured out are nit-picky and quite frankly irrelevant to 99.9% of the population anyways.

Also, here's a really awesome post by Sol_Aureus on the official forums on enhancing magic.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nhancing-Magic

Very well done and complete chart of how enhancing magic boosts regen, stoneskin, and protect. Regen caps at 203

**Sigmakan** · 2012-03-26 11:19

Great work Kaeko. Very interesting that you say INT>mattk for Thundara. (feel free to discuss why this is in more detail, very interested to hear)

Since Thundara is the main staple of THM/BLM damage, should INT be prioritized over m.attk?

Looking forward to your next post/blog-entry about this.

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