Stats and how they work.

**Kaeko** · 03-03-2012 02:44 PM

Part IV of Testing
Critical Damage Bonus (+Crit Potency)
http://kanican.livejournal.com/56489.html

Sorry you'll need to click the link to get the charts and graphs

- Done in collaboration with Seiken Valk
- Credit also given to Miko Neversleeps for Rampage testing and Anzu Mazaki and Katsu Kobashi for gear sets

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Copy/Paste Summary of Conclusions

(1) The critical bonus is a straight percentage increase in damage / HP cured. This percentage increase is only affected by "Crit Potency" enhancements, "Crit Resilience" enhancements, and dLVL.

The critical bonus effect follows the same rules regardless of the kind of critical you are attempting to land - whether it is a physical attack, magic attack, or cure spell. Critical resilience is assumed to be the same as negative critical potency; however, this was never formally tested here.

(2) There is a cap on the critical bonus percentage increase at 175%. There is a floor at 115%.

To clarify, there will be a formula presented further down in the conclusions which may predict a critical bonus percentage of greater than 175% or less than 115%. The game will simply cap you at one of these 2 values. The calculated bonus is still important, however, because the + critical potency effects are applied prior to application of the cap and floor.

(3) + Crit Potency enhancement increases the the critical bonus by a fixed increase in %. This fixed bonus decreases as dLVL increases. The enhancement is applied after the bonus floor and cap.

The key here is that the enhancement is applied prior to application of the cap and floor. This means that say you have 108% critical bonus at +0 potency. This is floored to 115%. Now let's say you add a certain amount of potency that brings your critical bonus to 114%. This value is still floored again at 115%, meaning your potency increase actually changed nothing. This is an extremely important concept at higher dLVLs.

(4) The baseline critical bonus (the critical bonus at +0 potency) is affected only by dLVL.

The effect of dLVL on the baseline critical bonus can be summarized graphically by the graph below...

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(5) The table below summarizes the baseline critical damage bonus and the amount of critical bonus added per point in + critical potency for each dLVL (range -30 to +10).

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Blue means that the 175% cap will affect the calculated value. Red means that the 115% floor will affect the calculated value. The "Bonus to Potency Ratio" is the amount of critical bonus % you add per point in potency. "Wasted Potency" refers to the amount of + crit potency enhancement one would require to see any difference.

(6) For cure criticals, dLVL is calculated by [Target Rank] - [Caster Rank]. This means that for most endgame situations, the only relevant dLVL is 0 (rank 50s curing other rank 50s).

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(7) To attempt to better answer the question "how good is Might materia?", the following graph illustrates the overall % increase in damage when you critical hit at varying potency increases.

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(8) The Rampage status gives 50% of the critical damage dealt back to HP. This HP return is capped at 20% of your maximum HP. This means if your max HP is 4,000 the most you can get back is 800.

(9) The Thundaga combo bonus grants a rough +175 magic critical potency and allows the critical to break and exceed the 175% critical damage bonus cap.

This is the same effect as adding +175 magic critical potency from say Sagacious Might. It also allows the spell to potentially break the 175% cap. This was only small test, however, so this value may vary with other variables such as the caster's level.

**tachikoma** · 03-05-2012 02:11 PM

Wonderful summary of critical potency, but as you already stated without understanding crit rate and the increase from the gear that has it listed its impossible to gain much from it. Except the info on thundaga, that part is VERY interesting to me and makes me wonder what kind of power I could get from a well timed Excruciate + thundaga.

Edit: considering the steep cost on thundaga its probably best left to non NM r58 type fights as even with 275-300 potency increase its still only 20~25% more dmg on something at Ifrits lvl.

**Sigmakan** · 03-05-2012 02:38 PM

Awesome work! I still dont think crit attack is worth it due to the infrequency of crit attacks. Sure you can nice big numbers to screenshot and put in forum signatures, but I have a hard time believing that it drastically improves DPS. I suppose its better than nothing . . .

**Stanislaw** · 03-05-2012 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sigmakan

Awesome work! I still dont think crit attack is worth it due to the infrequency of crit attacks. Sure you can nice big numbers to screenshot and put in forum signatures, but I have a hard time believing that it drastically improves DPS. I suppose its better than nothing . . .

Well, for melees (aside from ARC), the only materia that you can put on your Body armor that can improve DPS is Critical Attack Power. So it's more due to a lack of choice than that of one.

**Kaeko** · 03-05-2012 03:39 PM

Early testing for crit rate is it caps at 20%, don't know if there's a floor. R50 vs. R50 rate is about 7.5%. There's a small test in part I regarding crit rate on cure on CNJ vs. THM (which has the +10 rate trait).

**Stanislaw** · 03-05-2012 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Kaeko

Early testing for crit rate is it caps at 20%, don't know if there's a floor. R50 vs. R50 rate is about 7.5%. There's a small test in part I regarding crit rate on cure on CNJ vs. THM (which has the +10 rate trait).

Speaking of Critical Hit rates, the only stat to influence them are weapons/armor with 'Crit Rate' on them, right?

It was widely suspected DEX influences rates, but I seem to remember it wasn't included when the devs posted what stats do.

**Kaeko** · 03-05-2012 04:01 PM

It wasn't stated. Not sure if I should test that. I'm still thinking of the best testing procedure for this b/c there is so little crit+ gear. I was thinking of using a low base damage weapon then AFK swing at low end mobs that can't kill me. But if we ignore crit+ % on weapon, the only 2 items that do this would be plundered bandana (+5) and sipahi hands (+15). Hopefully 1.21 has more crit gear available.

**Niiro** · 03-05-2012 05:03 PM

For what it's worth this is from my post 1.20 ACC/DEX tests that I put up, not nearly as thorough as your tests but it's a snapshot.

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No appreciable difference in crit rate with 35 DEX. Target was R54 doblyns.

**Treach** · 03-08-2012 10:01 AM

[dev1316] The method in which player attributes are calculated into weaponskill attack power has been changed, resulting in an increase in the maximum amount an attribute can affect damage.

Oh boy.

**Kurokikaze** · 03-08-2012 11:37 AM

Here lemme throw a wrench in your already established formula.

**TacoTaru** · 03-08-2012 12:37 PM

I'm starting to feel like the icon for this thread should just be a rage face since everything time people spend time testing something it changes again.

**Stanislaw** · 03-08-2012 12:48 PM

Eh, at least it's just the weaponskills. The basic seem to remain the same.

Edit: Nevermind. orz

An issue wherein the effect of Chameleon was not working as intended.
An issue wherein casting the spells Cure and Cura on targets with full HP would incur enmity.

**Kurokikaze** · 03-08-2012 06:36 PM

You guys know that those bugs are bugs that they found and fixed while testing the latest patch? Some of the things on the list would not have been possible for non-devs to exploit.

**Spider-Dan** · 03-09-2012 11:54 AM

TBH, I would not be surprised if it was Kaeko's testing (or rather, the conclusions) that actually prompted the changes.

1.20 has been out for months, but enmity problems aren't fixed until the patch immediately following a huge discovery on enmity mechanics? Someone get me my tinfoil hat.

**Rocl** · 03-09-2012 01:18 PM

Uhh.. idk where I'm supposed to put random testing I've done, but I was bored and realized Presence of Mind worked with Holy so I thought I'd see if MP affects DMG.

Survey says, it doesn't. At least vs Lv1 mobs. Admittedly, I haven't been keeping up w/ the testing methods used for XIV, I guess I should test it vs Lv50+ later, but I'm pretty lazy.

Lv1

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Lv50 (these are all cleric stance, and i am not doing them w/o cuz i think it's easy/obvious to see that it affects Holy)

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MP might affect Radius idk idc if I'm not busy later and someone else hasn't done testing maybe I will? LAZY

**Fievel** · 03-12-2012 09:46 PM

Don't know if anybody tested regen with/without boots yet, so I went ahead and did a short test to figure out a little bit.

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Conclusion: Regen is 136hp/tic without boots, with boots it increases 25% to 170hp/tic. This is not changed by players max HP.

(Sorry for sloppy format, I'll clean it up a little later)

**jwang** · 03-12-2012 10:33 PM

I guess next to test for Regen is if healing magic potency affects it, as well as MND. Also 136 per tic, dang that's ridiculous amounts of HP healed. I knew it healed a lot, but not to this extent!

**Fievel** · 03-12-2012 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by jwang

I guess next to test for Regen is if healing magic potency affects it, as well as MND. Also 136 per tic, dang that's ridiculous amounts of HP healed. I knew it healed a lot, but not to this extent!

I'll test this later tonight, LS events started so my tests were cut short.

**Rocl** · 03-12-2012 11:38 PM

I saw a post on Lodestone saying that Regen is affected by Enhancing Magic. The poster (and my own personal tests) corroborate +25% Regen potency '~'

The poster's formula is something like 1 Enhancing = 0.75 hp/tic; but I'm not interested in seeing if that's true atm>_>

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Magic-Potency

**Fievel** · 03-13-2012 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Rocl

I saw a post on Lodestone saying that Regen is affected by Enhancing Magic. The poster (and my own personal tests) corroborate +25% Regen potency '~'

The poster's formula is something like 1 Enhancing = 0.75 hp/tic; but I'm not interested in seeing if that's true atm>_>

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Magic-Potency

Oh very nice! thank you for posting this

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