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    Abyssea, Blue Procs, and you.

    All Abyssea pages should have the positions, spawn conditions, and drops for NMs, as well as types, detection, aggression, and linking stats for normal monsters. Before I start populating pages for all of these monsters (oy), I would like some people to check these over, especially the Blue Proc items. I did a lot of this from memory and haven't fought a lot of them in a long while and some of the more worthless ones ever.

    From what I remember, all free-spawning NMs in Abyssea are true sight or true sound, would someone like to test this out for me? I think that Clonids do not aggro, Limules aggro low HP, Amoebans aggro Magic (cannot remember if only at night for sure), and Murexes aggro job abilities at night. Could someone double check this as well?

    As always, help is greatly appreciated.

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    Let's see... gonna go through the pages and I'll mark the ones I feel are inaccurate. Some I might have just gotten lucky on for blue items and no blue proc though.

    Abyssea - Konschtat
    -Things I don't think are blue drops: Graiai Earring (Bloodguzzler), Odium Ring (Keratyrannos) - I've had lots of luck seeing these drops on multiple kills without blue. I also don't think Salvus Mantle (Clingy Claire) is though I am not sure at all.
    -Things that I know aren't blue drops - Anguinus Belt (Kukulkan) is the blue, not the hachimaki, lol. Just an error.
    -Things I think should be blue drops: Augur's Brais (Hadal Satiator) is one I remember being a blue proc. Not sure but I think it's the gauntlets on Depths Digester, need to double-check.

    Abyssea - La Theine
    -Things I don't think are blue drops: -
    -Things I'm fairly sure aren't blue drops: Nifty Mantle (Adamastor), Aristo Belt (Baba Yaga), Afflictors (Carabosse - Teutates Subligar is the blue), Cognition Belt (Grandgousier), Sharpeye Mantle (La Theine Liege), Arctier's Torque (Pantagruel), Seigneur Shield (Piasa - AF accessories are always the blue, should be Navarch's Choker)
    -Things I think should be blue drops: I think Briareus's Sash (Briareus, obviously) is, but I cannot confirm this just now. Timarli Dastanas (Hadhayosh), Raider's Belt (Irrlicht, following AF accessory patterns), Cirque Necklace (Keesha Poppo, same as Raider's Belt), Aoidos's Belt (Megamaw Mikey, again AF), Hochomasamune (Ruminator), Mavi Scarf (Nahn).
    -Maybes: I think it's Nusku's Sash for Karkinos. Do not know.

    Abyssea - Tahrongi
    -Things I don't think are blue drops: -
    -Things I know aren't blue drops: Serpentes Cuffs (Mictlantecuhlti - AF accessory again takes priority, so it's Unkai Nodowa)
    -Things I think should be blue drops: Ziel Charm (Quetzalli), Tiresias' Cape (Halimede - I may have just had bad luck on drops here though), Ocelot Trousers (Usurper).
    -Maybes: Probably Brisk Mask for Glavoid. Not sure. Possibly Praeda Gauntlets for Yearner.

    Abyssea - Attowha
    -Things I don't think are blue drops: -
    -Things I know aren't blue drops: Ace's Sabatons (Itzpapalotl - lolno. 100% drop there. It's the Heofon Knuckles)
    -Things I think should be blue drops: Cybele Pants (Smok - I know because they won't drop for me. Q.Q), Barbarus Bhuj (Titlacauan), Hikmet Hat (Tunga),
    -Other: Granite Borer also drops Volley Earring, but I've seen it commonly enough to think it's not blue. May be though. Kampe drops Heed Ring, definitely not blue. Kharon drops Elementa Grip, might be blue.

    Abyssea - Misareaux
    -Things I don't think are blue drops: -
    -Things I know aren't blue drops: Kamome (Sobek, it's the 100% drop. Should be Skogul Lance)
    -Things I think should be blue drops: Cleofun Axe (Amhuluk, pattern again), Molva Maul (Cirein-Croin, the P-word)

    Abyssea - Vunkerl
    -Things I don't think are blue drops: Magnus Sword (Lord Varney - Magnus weapons aren't blue drops, iirc)
    -Things I know aren't blue drops: -
    -Things I think should be blue drops: Crisis Scythe (Durinn, pattern)

    Abyssea - Altepa
    -Things I don't think are blue drops:
    -Things I'm fairly sure aren't blue drops: Kogara (Ouezelum, I've tossed so many of these)
    -Things I think should be blue drops: Suppressor Gun (Battlerigged Chariot - NOT SURE ON THIS), Honorbound (Bennu), Etamin Gambieras (Bugul Noz), Beneficus (Cuijatender), Charmer's Merlin (Dragua), Skeld Sword (Ironclad Smiter), Kikugosaku (Orthrus), Clearview Earring (Brulo - Maybe)

    Abyssea - Uleguerand
    -Things I don't think are blue drops: -
    -Things I know aren't blue drops: -
    -Things I think should be blue drops: Amicus Grip (Anemic Aloysius), Angr Harpe (I've seen few of these, lots of earrings), Vision Bow (Kur), Zelus Tiara (Pantokrator),

    Abyssea - Grauberg
    -Things I don't think are blue drops: -
    -Things I know aren't blue drops: Ace's Mufflers (Raja; blue is Portent Pants, to my knowledge).
    -Things I think should be blue drops: Tristam's Breastplate (Assailer Chariot; you have it marked as red. ), Siriti (Fleshflayer Killakriq), Asa-Arashi (Jaculus), Blur Mantle (Minaruja)

    Now a lot of this is not 100%, but the majority of it is in the 80-90% surety ballpark range. If anyone else counters one of my points, take their word for it though. And yes, I was bored when I wrote this, T1 conversions outside are a pain.

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    Abyssea, Blue Procs, and you.

    Anguinus Belt isn't the blue drop, it's the TH drop. The Blue drop off Bria/Kul/Glavoid is their crafting items.

    Many NMs lack blue drops. All the ones with just one Rare item drops are not blues, I think. They are all just TH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus View Post
    I think that Clonids do not aggro, Limules aggro low HP, Amoebans aggro Magic (cannot remember if only at night for sure), and Murexes aggro job abilities at night. Could someone double check this as well?
    Clionids aggro low HP at night (popping Mananananagaaalgnanglanlgal at night is a wonderful experience) and Limules aggro sound at night, I am fairly certain. Amoeba do indeed aggro magic (only at night too, I'm 80% sure) and murexes do aggro job ability/ws at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    Anguinus Belt isn't the blue drop, it's the TH drop. The Blue drop off Bria/Kul/Glavoid is their crafting items.

    Many NMs lack blue drops. All the ones with just one Rare item drops are not blues, I think. They are all just TH.
    Really? I always thought it required blue as I never saw it otherwise. But that makes sense seeing as I didn't really have a large sample of Kukulkans, where I did for the other two and blue always brought about their crafting item.

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    Why are you people calling things blue drops? Blue is just a large increase in drop rate to anything equipment(synth mats for vision zone bosses as well) no? It certainly helps the drop rate of all the more common items too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkmagi View Post
    Why are you people calling things blue drops? Blue is just a large increase in drop rate to anything equipment(synth mats for vision zone bosses as well) no? It certainly helps the drop rate of all the more common items too.
    I refer to something as a blue drop if you have a horrible chance of seeing it without procing blue, even with TH. Kind of like you can supposedly get Atmas without procing red, but I have never witnessed it.

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    I've witnessed both atma and key items dropping without red, but they're not very common, so I rather like the "blue drop" system of reference for this.

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    My experience is that Blue increases the drop rate of one specific item from the loot pool. The TH drop has the same drop rate with or without blue. That said, I haven't really procced enough mobs with trashy Rare drops to know that they're "Blue" or not, but I remember a much higher drop rate on things like Ruffian's Leggings and Poise Shoes off unprocced kills than I do for AF3 accessories and things like Serpentes Sabots.

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    I am wondering if we should just get rid of blue entirely...

    For example, when I did 30 Piazas for the double attack axe, I got more navarich items than shields. I have a friend who killed Mictlantecuhtli a lot of times and never got Serpentes Cuffs until he started procing Blue.

    Unless we can get a better definition, we might want to drop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    My experience is that Blue increases the drop rate of one specific item from the loot pool. The TH drop has the same drop rate with or without blue. That said, I haven't really procced enough mobs with trashy Rare drops to know that they're "Blue" or not, but I remember a much higher drop rate on things like Ruffian's Leggings and Poise Shoes off unprocced kills than I do for AF3 accessories and things like Serpentes Sabots.
    Blue absolutely helps the drop rate of moderately common items like danzo sune-ate. Would be at least a 50% drop rate with TH alone. Have done 20+ blued eve kills selling ocelot gloves and whatnot, never saw danzo not drop. Blue also helps the drop rate of the armor synth mats from the first 3 zone bosses, but increases the drop rate of the common equipment as well.

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    I am thinking about splitting the blue discussion off in to its own thread because I think that it actually warrants in-depth analysis.

    I have removed the {{Blue!}} tag from the Abyssea pages for now. (The only NM I haven't removed it from is Shinryu because we can all agree that all you are going to get a fucking cape if you don't Blue it. And sometimes even if you do.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus View Post
    I am wondering if we should just get rid of blue entirely...

    For example, when I did 30 Piazas for the double attack axe, I got more navarich items than shields. I have a friend who killed Mictlantecuhtli a lot of times and never got Serpentes Cuffs until he started procing Blue.

    Unless we can get a better definition, we might want to drop it.
    Did about 65~ Mictlantechutlis before the whole proc system was figured out and walked away with 25~ Serp hands and only 1 Unkai neck without blue (as well as some very unhappy samurais). Adding blue to the mix, we proceeded to go 5/7 on Unkai neck. Anecdotal evidence and all that, but we almost never saw any AF3 accessories without it.

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    I would guess aias bonnet from yaanei is a blue drop. Drops most of the time with, never seen it without.