Random Facts Thread: Magic

[nivlakian]

I was testing magic burst damage gear with Fiv and we accidently stumbled across data that suggests that Mujin Band breaks the standard 40% MB Bonus gear cap.

Fiv was on BLM vs Blanched Mandragoras in Ceizak. INT was high to cap dINT for Fire 1 (109+181INT).

Fire 175 base when capped
261 magic dmg on gear + 1 gift
325 total MAB (4.25 multiplier for MAB portion of equation)

MAB info:

Spoiler: show

40 (base trait)
7 (gift)
10 (fire merit)
Gear: 28+20+7+24+8+6+10+25+10+25+11+5+25+30+7+22
5 (ionis)

Fiv has 13% MBBonus from trait, 9% from JP and 5% from gifts (total 27%). These all seem to be added to the trait which allows one to surpass the known MBBonus gear cap of 40%. Reference: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Magic_Dam...ic_Burst_Bonus


Fire 1 does 1853 damage in the MB gear when not MBing.
(175 + 261) * 4.25 = 1853

MB Tests suggest that the Mandragoras have a 2.85 multiplier for fire MBs (weakness).

No rings (36% MBBonus gear), Fire 1 MB'd: 8602
[436 * 2.85] = 1242
1242 * (1.36 + 0.27) = 2024
2024 * 4.25 = 8602

1 ring (locus, 41% MBBonus gear), Fire 1 MB'd: 8814
[436 * 2.85] = 1242
1242 * (1.4 + 0.27) = 2074
2074 * 4.25 = 8814
The math only works with 40% MB bonus used in the above equation which suggests the cap still exists.


2 rings (locus+mujin, 46% MBBonus gear): 9078
[436 * 2.85] = 1242
1242 * (1.45 + 0.27) = 2136
2136 * 4.25 = 9078
Higher damage with both rings suggests an issue. However, 46% does not work for the above equation. 45% does work and suggests a cap of 40%, but something went past it.

Redoing the 1 ring test with Mujin band instead of Locus added more damage.
1 ring (mujin, 41% MBBonus gear): 8865
[436 * 2.85] = 1242
1242 * (1.41 + 0.27) = 2086
2086 * 4.25 = 8865

So, it would appear that Mujin band does not count toward the gear cap for MBBonus.

[Lyramion]

Counterchecked it quick n dirty on SCH:

39% in MB gear (no mujin) 16381 Aero III
44% in MB gear (w/ mujin) 16921 Aero III


Checks out for me, good find. Time to buy Su2 body to get an extra 5%

[Lyramion]

Testing https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/E._Tincture_(DD) with level 5 Locus:

+15 MAB / unknown MACC

.. for 1 minute for 40k bayld.

[Malithar]

Has anyone done any testing on a cap for Magic Crit Rate?

Toying with the idea of 5/5 +10% Crit Rate Helios, Choleric Earring, Maniacus Sash, and nuking from the south of mobs on Geo for 81% crit rate for +30 MAB, or capping it to +40 with an aug on Helios. Losing waist and an earring for it is a bummer, but MAB wise it'd come out ahead overall unless you're nuking with the day/weather. Unless you're rocking an Occult Acumen build, you're not really missing anything from the Leaf slot by filling it in with MCrit rate. 81% / +40 MAB would come out to an equivalent of 32.4 MAB. But you'd be losing ~28 MAB from waist, earring, and not nuking with the mob to the east.

Guess it's just a pipe dream for a very minor improvement that relies even more on positioning. Maybe someday they'll make Magic Crit matter. -.- Still curious about a known cap if anyone has done any testing though.

[nivlakian]

Toying with the idea of 5/5 +10% Crit Rate Helios, Choleric Earring, Maniacus Sash, and nuking from the south of mobs on Geo for 81% crit rate for +30 MAB, or capping it to +40 with an aug on Helios.

I assume you meant Count's Garb + 4/5 Helios for this? Otherwise, I think 10 Magic Crit. damage is missing to make the 30MAB you stated. Also, if using Count's Garb, you'd have 5% more magic crit rate.

But you'd be losing ~28 MAB from waist, earring, and not nuking with the mob to the east.

I think you lose a lot more depending on your hagondes legs augment. Helios legs has no base MAB on it and Telchine is still less than what Hagondes can get in total.

[Malithar]

I assume you meant Count's Garb + 4/5 Helios for this? Otherwise, I think 10 Magic Crit. damage is missing to make the 30MAB you stated. Also, if using Count's Garb, you'd have 5% more magic crit rate.

I was counting the +10 MAB base for crits, +10 from sash, earring, and an aug would cap it at +40. Good catch on the Garb, forgot about it for additional crit, though the total is still so lacking. :/

I think you lose a lot more depending on your hagondes legs augment. Helios legs has no base MAB on it and Telchine is still less than what Hagondes can get in total.

Didn't take into account the leg swaps, but that just pushes it even more into the realm of "not even worth it." Shitty that magic crits are so meh. Then again if they ever did become good, it might be a bit OP if we could ride so close to 100% crit rate full time.

[nivlakian]

I was counting the +10 MAB base for crits, +10 from sash, earring, and an aug would cap it at +40. Good catch on the Garb, forgot about it for additional crit, though the total is still so lacking. :/

The sash only has MAB+7, but no Magic Crit damage+ as far as I'm aware, which is why it seemed like there was 10 magic crit damage missing unless you meant to include Count's Garb.

[BerenTebogo]

Did a search but didn't see anything useful, do we know (at least roughly) how much MEVA- Frazzle and Frazzle II give as a baseline or with enhancements?

And related, do we know if Pet INT is the primary stat modifier behind pet magic ready moves?

[dasva]

As far as I know no one has done serious macc/meva testing since like 2008... but I'd say it's somewhat safe to assume it's the same Distracts -eva.

Not sure if Falkirk has gotten around to testing them but I can confirm that at the very least Molting plumage uses dint at the very least and no other stat. I'd assume they'd be the same stats as the blu spells but as I can't find the stat mod for molting I can't confirm that. Not like it matters much since I can't think of anyway to add specific stats to jug pets other than the STR and VIT and DEX from alluvion weapons and you'd probably be better off getting tp bonus in that slot

[BerenTebogo]

Thanks. Seems like a low amount of -MEVA for how noticeable it is, but I suppose Distract is pretty noticeable too.

[dasva]

It doesn't sound like a lot (and in some ways isn't compared to say threnodies) but under perfect difference in macc to meva -50 meva could take your magic hit rate from 47.5 to capped 95

[Fwahm]

Drain III
53 MP
4:00 Cooldown
Seems to work exactly like Drain II, except it drains ~30%-50% more (drained ~800 with 446 Dark Magic Skill, and zero elemental affinity, dark element magic attack, or drain/aspir potency).

[Sechs]

I got some questions about Magic recast.
I know that at least until some time ago, there used to be a cap of 50% reduction. Meaning that if a spell has a default recast of 60 seconds, you can't bring it under 30.
I also know that X FC value meant X/2 recast, whereas X% haste meant X% reduction.

Now I seem to recall SE changed this cap some time ago so I'm wondering... is the overall 50% recast reduction still in place?
I'm talking about normal means (so gear haste, ja haste, magic haste, fast cast), not special abilities or special things which are usually bound to specific jobs.

[Fwahm]

80% reduction is cap now.

[Sechs]

Is this cap an "overall" cap no matter the source? Or is it split? Like can't get more than 50% from magic/gear/ja haste, but can get 30% more from FC etc?

[dasva]

No cap by source except the actual caps on those stats

[Fwahm]

Do Geo debuff bubbles affect mobs that are immune to being affected in any way, like avatars that SMN mobs summon only for astral flow?

[dasva]

You have to establish hate on it first so probably not

[nivlakian]

I unlocked Geo's ra3s and decided to test them. M values appear to follow the same pattern as -ga3 spells. As one would expect, their base values lie between ga3 and ja spells from BLM.


vs Ceizak's Blanched Mandaragoras
mdmg+9
MAB+50
Avoided relevant cardinal chant bonuses and day/weather influence.
Stone or Water I at 110INT was used to check their INT as 90. Stone I does 88 damage and Water I does 105.

INT110 (dINT20) Stonera III - 1063
INT130 (dINT40) Stonera III - 1213
INT150 (dINT60) Stonera III - 1348
INT170 (dINT80) Stonera III - 1468
INT210 (dINT120) Stonera III - 1678
INT220 (dINT130) Stonera III - 1723

V0=600 M0=5
V50=850 M50=4
V100=1050 M100=3


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INT110 (dINT20) Watera III - 1129
INT130 (dINT40) Watera III - 1270
INT150 (dINT60) Watera III - 1399
INT170 (dINT80) Watera III - 1516
INT210 (dINT120) Watera III - 1722
INT220 (dINT130) Watera III - 1765

V0=650 M0=4.7
V50=885 M50=3.9
V100=1080 M100=2.95

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INT110 (dINT20) Aerora III - 1195
INT130 (dINT40) Aerora III - 1327
INT150 (dINT60) Aerora III - 1450
INT170 (dINT80) Aerora III - 1564
INT210 (dINT120) Aerora III - 1765
INT220 (dINT130) Aerora III - 1809

V0=700 M0=4.4
V50=920 M50=3.8
V100=1110 M100=2.9

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INT110 (dINT20) Fira III - 1264
INT130 (dINT40) Fira III - 1390
INT150 (dINT60) Fira III - 1509
INT170 (dINT80) Fira III - 1620
INT210 (dINT120) Fira III - 1816
INT220 (dINT130) Fira III - 1858

V0=750 M0=4.2
V50=960 M50=3.7
V100=1145 M100=2.85


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INT110 (dINT20) Blizzara III - 1330
INT130 (dINT40) Blizzara III - 1447
INT150 (dINT60) Blizzara III - 1560
INT170 (dINT80) Blizzara III - 1668
INT210 (dINT120) Blizzara III - 1860
INT220 (dINT130) Blizzara III - 1902

V0=800 M0=3.9
V50=995 M50=3.6
V100=1175 M100=2.8


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INT110 (dINT20) Thundara III - 1396
INT130 (dINT40) Thundara III - 1504
INT150 (dINT60) Thundara III - 1611
INT170 (dINT80) Thundara III - 1716
INT210 (dINT120) Thundara III - 1903
INT220 (dINT130) Thundara III - 1944

V0=850 M0=3.6
V50=1030 M50=3.5
V100=1205 M100=2.75

[Seol]

Refresh III 9mp/tic as expected