Random Facts Thread: Other

[Chimerawizard]

Decided to test the Pixie Hairpin +1 a bit.

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Job:RDM99/BLM49
Target: Blanched Mandragora
Main: Xsaeta I
Head: Pixie Hairpin +1
Dark Magic Skill: 316 (including merits & gear)
Dark Affinity: DMG+6
Dark Element MAB+28
Drain:
288
516
381
516
327
467
361
378
508
528
154
469
317
492
456
484
312
273
458
330
286
378
435
366
334
510
370
425
343
459
480
277
399
459
441
155
431
268
451
508
508
373
459
363
384
320(cap'd HP)
425
511
515
322
493
407
356
348
448
383
453
277
505
370
456
415
397
462

Expected Drain value:
w/o equipment:115~330
only staff works:155~445
both work:187~537
Actual Drain Values without the 2 resists: 268~528

I know I should get a larger sample, but maintinance is almost here. Kind of surprised I didn't get more results closer to minimum values. Or did I do that wrong, and values should be for 'both work'= 268~537 ?



Noctohelix to determine if its additive w/ Xaeta I or multiplied at seperate steps.

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SCH/BLM
Target: Tiny Mandragora
w/o hairpin: INT109+146
w/ hairpin: INT109+173
MAB:24(BLM trait)+110(gear)
M.DMG=0 (avoided for one less term to deal with)
Helix Merits: 5/5
all tests done in dark arts, iceday without weather.

w/o staff or hairpin:
513
513
w/ Staff:
691
691
w/ Hairpin:
656
656
w/ both:
837
837

What I had expected based off the nukes w/o staff or hairpin:
w/ staff: 692 (1 over actual)
w/ head: 656
w/ both same term: 836 (1 less than actual)
w/ both different terms: 885 (not even close)
#s only varied one point away from the expected, so I guess the helix merits somehow caused some spot where it rounded differently. I used a bunch of equipment so dINT would be well over cap regardless of if the hat was equipped or not.

Anyway, it seems The Dark Element: "Magic Atk. Bonus" is the same term as Darkness Affinity: Damage.

sorry if my language was difficult to understand, couldn't think of a better way to word my thoughts at the time.

[Ophannus]

Didn't see it updated in bgwiki but according to Draylo, Gavialis Helm is 30/256 bonus to ftp. Mekira gave 25/256, so pretty good bonus.

[Darvamos]

Did some testing on DT/PDT gear via 1000 Needles to get the true */256 value.
Aettir 5% PDT II 949 -13/256
Angha Gem 2% PDT 980 -5/256
Black Belt 5% PDT 953 -12/256
Caballarius Breeches 4% 960 -10/256
Caballarius Surcoat +1 10% DT 902 -25/256
Cizin Mufflers +1 3% PDT Aug 972 -7/256
Dark Ring 5% PDT Aug 953 -12/256
Defending Ring 10% DT 898 -26/256
Earth Staff 20% PDT 800 -52/256
Evasionist's Cape 3% PDT 972 -7/256
Flume Belt 4% PDT 960 -10/256
Futhark Bandeau +1 4% PDT 960 -10/256
Futhark Coat +1 7% DT 933 -17/256
Gende. Gages +1 4% PDT Aug 960 -10/256
Gende. Galoshes 1% PDT Aug 992 -2/256
Gendewitha Spats 2% PDT Aug 980 -5/256
Gorney Sollerets +1 3% PDT 972 -7/256
Gorney Sollerets 3% PDT 972 -7/256
Iuitl Gaiters +1 4% PDT Aug 960 -10/256
Iuitl Headband +1 4% PDT Aug 960 -10/256
Iuitl Tights +1 3% PDT Aug 972 -7/256
Iuitl Wristbands +1 3% PDT Aug 972 -7/256
Mekira Meikogai 8% DT 921 -20/256
Mollusca Mantle 5% DT 953 -12/256
Nierenschutz 3% DT 972 -7/256
Otronif Brais +1 4% PDT Aug 960 -10/256
Otronif Brais 3% PDT Aug 972 -7/256
Patricius Ring 5% PDT 953 -12/256
Priwen 6% DT 941 -15/256
Qaaxo Tights 3% PDT 972 -7/256
Reverence Breeches 4% PDT 960 -10/256
Reverence Coronet +1 5% PDT 953 -12/256
Rev. Surcoat +1 9% DT 917 -21/256
Runeist Mittons 2% PDT 980 -5/256
Runeist Trousers +1 3% PDT 976 -6/256
Runeist Trousers 3% PDT 976 -6/256
Twilight Torque 5% DT 953 -12/256
Umuthi gloves 4% PDT 960 -10/256
Weard Mantle 3% DT 972 -7/256
Weathering Shield +1 10% PDT 902 -25/256


Eluder's Sachet +2% DT Taken 1023 +6/256
Runeist Troussers + Eluder's Sachet 1000
Runeist Mittons + Eluder's Sachet 1003
Note: You can annul the +6/256 and still hit true 50% PDT by stacking -6/256 extra (-134/256).

Rancor Collar (Maxed) 1100 ????? (+25/256 = 1097) (+26/256 = 1101)
Rancor Collar + Defending Ring 988
Rancor Collar + Caballarius Surcoat +1 992
Rancor Collar seems to not add like Eluder's Sachet but rather multiply the dmg by 1.1 first.
Note: Since it is multiplying the dmg 1st then doing PDT you can't overstack PDT to annual the DMG.

For the most part SE seems pretty constant on the values but there are some odd balls.

I also believe it pretty safe to assume that all the skirmish gear augs are the same value which I figured but wanted to get a decent sample size.

[Tye]

It looks like the Indi. duration+ on Bagua Pants is in seconds, but the duration+ augment on Lifestream Cape is double the number listed in seconds.

I set my Gearswap to put text in chat log whenever I gained or lost "Haste" to timestamp. This isn't the best way to do this though. GEO buffs are applied/removed on tics, so results can be off by a few secs (6 secs max I think).

With Bagua Pants (+12) and Cape with +16 Aug:
Gained buff at :08:14, Lost at :12:02. 3 min, 48 sec duration
Gain :25:08, Lost :28:53. 3 min, 45 sec
Gain :31:41, Lost :35:25. 3 min, 44 sec

Just legs:
Gain :14:48, Lost :18:02. 3 min, 14 sec
Gain :00:01, Lost :03:16. 3 min, 15 sec

Just +16 Cape:
Gain :19:39, Lost :23:07. 3 min, 28 sec
Gain :48:37, Lost :52:07. 3 min, 29 sec

No duration+ gear:
Gain :06:02, Lost :09:05. 3 min, 3 sec

My tests are flawed, but the Cape's bonus isn't just the number listed in seconds.

[Damane]

It looks like the Indi. duration+ on Bagua Pants is in seconds, but the duration+ augment on Lifestream Cape is double the number listed in seconds.

I set my Gearswap to put text in chat log whenever I gained or lost "Haste" to timestamp. This isn't the best way to do this though. GEO buffs are applied/removed on tics, so results can be off by a few secs (6 secs max I think).

With Bagua Pants (+12) and Cape with +16 Aug:
Gained buff at :08:14, Lost at :12:02. 3 min, 48 sec duration
Gain :25:08, Lost :28:53. 3 min, 45 sec
Gain :31:41, Lost :35:25. 3 min, 44 sec

Just legs:
Gain :14:48, Lost :18:02. 3 min, 14 sec
Gain :00:01, Lost :03:16. 3 min, 15 sec

Just +16 Cape:
Gain :19:39, Lost :23:07. 3 min, 28 sec
Gain :48:37, Lost :52:07. 3 min, 29 sec

No duration+ gear:
Gain :06:02, Lost :09:05. 3 min, 3 sec

My tests are flawed, but the Cape's bonus isn't just the number listed in seconds.

seems % based if the 6 sec stuff you mentioned is the case, calculating in % seems to be allways in those +/- max 6 sec differences.

[Byrthnoth]

For anyone wondering, the crit rate augment on Atoyac does in fact affect both hands.

[Langly]

For anyone wondering, the crit rate augment on Atoyac does in fact affect both hands.

Exact same situation on the Taikogane. Funny enough, I was 100% sure this was tested and known when these augments came out.

[Tye]

Embolden+ Augment on RUN cape is duration +% added to Embolden's 50% duration. So with the max of Embolden +15, you'd get duration x65%.
The cape needs to be worn when the spell is cast and Barspell did not give any extra resistance.

Regen with Embolden +9 cape had a duration of 45 seconds. 75 x 0.59 = 44.25
Crusade with Embolden +9 had a duration of 177 seconds. 300 x 0.59 = 177


I also tested how AF Head's Regen duration, Relic legs enhancing magic duration, and Embolden's duration worked together. It seems to be:
((Base Duration x Embolden)+Regen duration)xEnhancing Duration

With my gear of AF+1 head (+21 secs), NQ Relic Legs(x1.1), and Embolden +9 cape, Regen had a duration of 72 seconds and Regen IV had both 62 and 63 second durations.
((75 x 0.59)+21)x1.1 = 71.775
((60 x 0.59)+21)x1.1 = 62.04

[Martel]

Did a bit of Magic absorb proc rate testing.

Warder's Charm
proc/total
49/1055
4.6% Probably 5%

Engulfer cape +1
103/1912
5.3%

Drachenblut Cape
38/1120
3.39%

[dasva]

So something rather interesting the CP you get for finishing high tier seal BCNMs is effected by +cp jps and I assume gear as well. But things like reives aren't

[Lyramion]

So something rather interesting the CP you get for finishing high tier seal BCNMs is effected by +cp jps and I assume gear as well. But things like reives aren't

Ya +CP mntle also affects them.

[Martel]

Reposting this over here to go with the rest of my absorb stuff. Original post

Hmmmm. I really didn't want this to be the case, But my data supports yours, Jeanpaul. Warders and Engulfer's absorb don't stack.

Engulfer+1 + Warder's(NQ)
spikes 2244
absorb 119
5.3%

Should have been higher if they even check in multitple steps, much less if they stacked additively. Sucks.

Moving along, elemental cape proc rates. I'm only testing Fire, but it's reasonably safe to assume identical proc rates for the others.

Buquwik
spikes 1637
absorb 53
3.23%

So yeah, stick with engulfer.

A bit on shadow ring/absorb interaction.

Shadow+engulfer+1
spikes 1213
absorb 59
0 DMG 129
Absorb 4.86%
Shadow 10.63%

Known engulfer proc rate is 5%. Known Shadow ring proc rate is 13%. Absorb being nearly spot on and Shadow being ~3% below tends to imply that absorbs proc first. Well, that or they can both proc, and I just don't catch them cause I absorb 0 when HP is full. <,<

[Byrthnoth]

If there was any doubt, the new WSD augments likely only apply to the first hit of WSs. I was hoping that they would apply to all hits.

I went to Abyssea - La Theine with >230 STR and 348 DEX (RR/GH/DD). I had Crit Attack Bonus of +48% and a Taeon Chapeau with WSD+3% and was using Foetia Gorget/Belt. I used Terpsichore mainhand and Ipetam offhand.

I calculated my WS damage as if Terpsichore was connecting on all the hits (ignoring Ipetam's extra 13 base damage). Initially I focused on killing tigers and rabbits with the first two hits of Evisceration. If I saw a damage that fell above my calculated damage range for first-hit only WSD (3836-4031), then I could assume that either Ipetam was getting credit for my second swing or the WSD applied to both hits. Instead, I saw a damage lower than my calculated range for both-hits WSD (3896-4090), so I moved on to the second part of my test.

It's not possible to directly confirm that WSD does *not* apply to all hits in any reasonable amount of time. You could always just be getting unlucky. As such, I started WSing monsters from 100% to check my average pDIF for each WS usage. I typically landed 3 or 4 hits, and the average damages were below the 3.0 point for a replicated WSD bonus about half the time.


Single hit Eviscerations came out to the damage I'd expect.

[dasva]

Wouldn't Jishnus be a fast way to test? Assuming capped crit rate and capped pdif or at least in the non ranging portion. Or last stand for that matter wouldn't even need to deal with crits and just need merit to get it done

[Byrthnoth]

I'm too lazy to mule over a bow or gun, and as far as I'm concerned the test I did was definitive. Hits below 3.0 are so freakishly weird that we essentially discounted them when calculating new fTPs in the last batch of WS adjustments, and thus there are very low odds of getting enough of them to pull your average pDIF below 3.0 when you're averaging over 3-4 hits. The fact that I saw about half of them below the 3.0 point for the "applies to all hits" case indicates that we can reject the case pretty confidently.

[Tye]

Some Weapon Skill Damage+ testing:
WSD+3% on Taeon head only apllied to the first hit of Last Stand.

WSD+ caps at +10% for Atonement. I couldn't get my damage above 1309. I have +1% on Acro head, +3% on legs, and I have Phorcys body(+7%); 11% total. 2 pieces in all combinations gave the correct %, but all 3 only gave 10% for Atonement.
Spirits Within, Herculean Slash, and Namas Arrow had the WSD+11% apply, so its not just a cap of 10% for all WSes.

Also, don't know if this was tested before or not, but Relic 40% damage bonus and WSD+% are multiplicative.

[Martel]

Some Weapon Skill Damage+ testing:
WSD+3% on Taeon head only apllied to the first hit of Last Stand.

WSD+ caps at +10% for Atonement. I couldn't get my damage above 1309. I have +1% on Acro head, +3% on legs, and I have Phorcys body(+7%); 11% total. 2 pieces in all combinations gave the correct %, but all 3 only gave 10% for Atonement.
Spirits Within, Herculean Slash, and Namas Arrow had the WSD+11% apply, so its not just a cap of 10% for all WSes.

Also, don't know if this was tested before or not, but Relic 40% damage bonus and WSD+% are multiplicative.

+17%+20% ws dmg. No burtgang

With Burtgang.

Cap, wut? The issue I'm seeing is, why are these both doing More dmg than they should be...

The non Burtgang should be 1392 and with should be 1809.
Edit:Derp. I didn't count Kariyeh ring towards my WSDMG total So that was 20% wsd not 17. Which lines up perfectly.

[Martel]

Interesting thing. Atonement seems to have a weapon ilvl component in the dmg formula.

The highest DMG I could reach(no ws dmg or burt) was 990 with a non ilvl wep. With a 119, it was the usual 1190. Didn't have any mid ilvl weps handy to test.

But considering those numbers... 990 and 1190..? Pretty easy to see it as player lvl or mainhand wep ilvl *10=dmg cap.

It can't be actual avg ilvl though. Like you see in the menu. Cause my Atonement set had an ilvl of 105 with a non ilvl wep. And the dmg cap didn't increase.

[Martel]

Confirmation of player lvl*10 Atonement dmg cap when not using an ilvl weapon. I level sync'd to lvl 84. Got an 840 cap. Not surprisingly, using an ilvl weapon while lvl capped didn't affect the cap. But I though I'd check.

Somewhat surprisingly, Burtgang's WS DMG+ Did work while capped. For the full +30%. If level capped content existed anymore, that would be very cool. As is, it's just kinda interesting.

[NynJa]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ll-Adjustments

Thats probably what "The calculation used for determining maximum damage will be adjusted." alluded to?