Neo Nyzul Isle (Will FFXI continue? Find out on the next FFXI XP Pack!)

[Mojo]

DRK is still superior with Twilight Scythe than MNK is with Formless Strike. Unless maybe with 5/5 formless and Augmented +2 but I doubt. You are also not limited with Twilight Scythe and can use it whenever you need it.

There is obvious bias towards DRK showing in your post. Even with a 20% damage cut, MNK white damage is much higher than DRK (especially using Twilight Scythe...) Infernal Scythe damage isn't even that remarkable either. I'd be interested to see how you even justify saying this. You also seem to be ignorant of the fact that a KC RNG with Haste/Embrva/Armageddon/Last Stand can cut through mobs perhaps just as fast as any other DD as well...

[Wardeniii]

This may not have been possible in your Bune situation, but I have noticed that many people tend to fail to realize that you don't have to stay engaged on a mob using PD/Invincible. You can switch targets for 30s and come back to it. Always drove me insane in Dynamis.

Certainly a more "common sense", yet definitely relevant point you just made. In our particular instance, it was the last mob on our floor, which is why I was inclined to blow my HF on it. I would say we have had at least two or three runs now where we have downed the Dverger with less than ~30-40 seconds remaining. Not that anyone isn't aware of it already--but every second counts, and there are many minor tweaks such as what you brought up to improve one's win rate.

[Nightmarelord]

When did blu get a ws that drains health, gives haste, and is capable of great damage? i missed that memo

[Prothescar]

When it didn't need one, because it has more tools for dealing damage to the fodder that populates Nyzul Isle as well as the same, if not more, survivability and self buffs. In the time it would take you to use two non-sekkanoki'd Catastrophes, I'd have cast three to four spells, or two and a Chant du Cygne if that much damage is necessary on the target that I'm fighting. My self skillchains are more than sufficient to two shot EP-DC monsters, and when Chain Affinity is down (it's on a shorter recast timer than Sekkanoki, fyi, so the time it'd take you to build TP in between weaponskills for non-sekkanoki SCs, I'd have already killed my monster with other spells) my spells and CDC are also sufficient.

I don't need 10% gear haste from my weaponskill to maintain maximum effectiveness in my TP set, nor do I need any DT- that the same would allow me to put on, between Embrava, Body Boost, Sudden Lunge, and my other spells, I won't die unless I'm one shotted, which so far has yet to occur.

If I for some reason require my weaponskill to drain HP for me, I have Sanguine Blade. This has yet to become necessary, however, and it likely never will inside of Nyzul Isle.

Not even going to mention the addition of -10%~-25% Defense on certain bosses, and the utility of other spells and weaponskills at BLU's disposal that DRK does not have.

[Churchill]

DRK/SAM can self SC without Sekka pretty easily

[Prothescar]

Right, and in the same time that you're doing that I'm easily making up the damage through other means. Basing the entire thing on BLU not having Catastrophe is pretty retarded. There are situations where Blue Magic is applicable, and this is one of the most notable of them. I'm not going to claim that I build TP as fast as a DRK with a 5 hit and capped delay reduction, however my BLU with only 22%~ delay remaining, 3% QA, 11% TA, and 29% DA is no slouch when it comes to TP/s. Chant du Cygne is more than capable of holding its own in there when supplemented with spells like VD, DT, and HS. This isn't Voidwatch where level correction and base stats are drastically in the favor of "heavy" DDs.

The only time I'd not be on par or exceeding the Apoc DRK would be on floor bosses, in which case I'm going to be contributing in other ways to pick up the slack.

[Limlight]

someone has a bit of a sandy vag

[Cairthenn]

Because people hopped on the lolBLU bandwagon when it was accurate and weren't intelligent enough to hop off.

[Prothescar]

[+]

[Bigsyke]

Sadly, the problem is that there are more BLUs than Apocalypse DRKs and most are retarded (both groups) which probably explains the view people have.

But yeah, a solid BLU would be invaluable, and this is coming from an Apocalypse DRK.

[Limlight]

oh I agree entirely, a good blu can be invaluable.

[Wardeniii]

On a completely off topic note in terms of DRK vs. BLU--it sure would be nice if they added linen pouches as a potential choice for exchange with a platinum astarium. Alex sells faster at 17K a pop than hydro in Waterworld, and that sure would be some fat cash + replay value.

[Darkmagi]

Oh fuck I would love the shit out of this event if they did that, but I highly doubt it. That would be so much extra alexandrite in circulation.

[Arthars]

plat to buy cotton pouch wouldnt hurt tho

[Prothescar]

Would make it worth doing Nyzul after capping out on gear. Arguably it's already worth 30 minutes a day for the chance at the Linen pouch from floor 100.

[Wardeniii]

Oh fuck I would love the shit out of this event if they did that, but I highly doubt it. That would be so much extra alexandrite in circulation.

Maybe even enough to make mythics only two to three times as expensive as relics, as opposed to ~5-6x :D

[Atoreis]

There is obvious bias towards DRK showing in your post. Even with a 20% damage cut, MNK white damage is much higher than DRK (especially using Twilight Scythe...) Infernal Scythe damage isn't even that remarkable either. I'd be interested to see how you even justify saying this. You also seem to be ignorant of the fact that a KC RNG with Haste/Embrva/Armageddon/Last Stand can cut through mobs perhaps just as fast as any other DD as well...

White Damage of DRK with Twilight is equivalent to 99 Spharai MNK with 1/5 Formless.

[Mojo]

White Damage of DRK with Twilight is equivalent to 99 Spharai MNK with 1/5 Formless.

How are you coming to this conclusion? Both delays are floored and about the same, although the amount of DMG per round is much higher on a MNK than DRK.

[KCem]

How are you coming to this conclusion? Both delays are floored and about the same, although the amount of DMG per round is much higher on a MNK than DRK.

Probably because 1/5 formless is pretty pathetic.

[Atoreis]

How are you coming to this conclusion? Both delays are floored and about the same, although the amount of DMG per round is much higher on a MNK than DRK.

I did math then lost connection so I just wrote summing up.

EDIT: MNK miss like 1 delay to be floored because I used thaumas body for calculation.