Tera: PvP FAQ & POST RELEASE Discussion/Bitching: Killing lowbies allows your guild to win e-peen

[Kachiko]

Just because we're on a PvP server doesn't mean we can't understand how a poorly implemented system shouldn't be turned on, during an event clusterfuck.

[Coren]

Turning off PvP... On a PvP server.

Sounds like at least three of you need to move to PvE servers. It's just tragic that you people roll on PvP servers to begin with.

If you only want fair/consensual/instanced PvP, you can get that on any PvE server. Please transfer to one. You just make the PvP servers lame with all your QQing.

I don't really see how you can argue that PvP (both outlaw and GvG) is anything other than a waste of time at the moment. There are no appreciable rewards, and all the current system does is promote assholishness.

[Soho]

I don't really see how you can argue that PvP (both outlaw and GvG) is anything other than a waste of time at the moment. There are no appreciable rewards, and all the current system does is promote assholishness.

I'm not arguing opinions on the validity of PvP with anyone. Everyone has their own likes/dislikes. Welcome to life in a society.

The fact remains, there are two types of servers and nobody is required to play on a PvP server.

What I'm arguing against is the retards who roll on a PvP server, knowing full well that there will be ganking/zerging, and then incessantly whine about it. They are the ones who end up QQing on the forums and making game publishers nerf PvP into the ground in order to placate the lowest common denominator, bad players.

Please read the following sentence again:
If you only want fair/consensual/instanced PvP, you can get that on any PvE server.

If you can't handle being ganked or zerg'd, or you think that PvP should be turned off so that you can safely PvE for some reason... You don't belong on an open world PvP server. Period.

It really is that simple.

Please do everyone a favor and transfer to a PvE server. It's even free!

[Rulke]

I don't really see how you can argue that PvP (both outlaw and GvG) is anything other than a waste of time at the moment. There are no appreciable rewards, and all the current system does is promote assholishness.

Why does PvP need rewards? Do people play FPS games for rewards? How about RTS? I guess being "diamond" in Starcraft 2 is a reward. Ive never been able to see the draw for PvP in MMORPG settings but I am a fan of PvP in many other game types.

[Trocian]

Turning off PvP... On a PvP server.

Sounds like at least three of you need to move to PvE servers. It's just tragic that you people roll on PvP servers to begin with.

If you only want fair/consensual/instanced PvP, you can get that on any PvE server. Please transfer to one. You just make the PvP servers lame with all your QQing.

You ever killed a PvE mob, or done an instance?

Go back to a PvE-server, you carebear.


Playing on a PvP-server != engaged in PvP 100% of the time, just like playing PvE shouldn't completely exclude you from ever PvPing. And gtfo with that "being bad" crap, there's no considerable skill required to PvP in Tera, as 90% of it is either ganking lowbies or zerging around with double the numbers of any enemies you may encounter.

[Avarice]

Turning off PvP... On a PvP server.

Sounds like at least three of you need to move to PvE servers. It's just tragic that you people roll on PvP servers to begin with.

If you only want fair/consensual/instanced PvP, you can get that on any PvE server. Please transfer to one. You just make the PvP servers lame with all your QQing.

You know, I thought your name looked familiar at first; now I realize why. Maybe if you used some common decency in your posts instead of throwing out name calling and insults right off the bat, people would be willing to take your opinion more seriously. As it stands, though, most don't; I certainly don't.

[Lucavi]

Well, in all honesty, his opinion is wrong anyway, since he's trying to promote it as fact. The only facts that exist with the current system of PVP is that:

A) It is horribly broken.
B) This was not the PVP system we were led to believe would be around at launch.

Therefore, the fact that certain people would be open to disabling said broken PVP, for any given reason, is not only plausible, but also understandable.

Edit: Fuck, here we go with the PVP again. My bad, mods.

[mallister]

^

not much else to say on it.

[Soho]

You ever killed a PvE mob, or done an instance?

Go back to a PvE-server, you carebear.


Playing on a PvP-server != engaged in PvP 100% of the time, just like playing PvE shouldn't completely exclude you from ever PvPing. And gtfo with that "being bad" crap, there's no considerable skill required to PvP in Tera, as 90% of it is either ganking lowbies or zerging around with double the numbers of any enemies you may encounter.

How is this difficult to follow?!

Read this slowly and maybe you'll understand what I'm saying:
Did I claim that I engaged in PvP 100% of the time? Of course I'm not.

However, I have the option to... 100% of the time.

That's literally, the single defining characteristic of an open world PvP server. And is also the only thing that differentiates a PvP server from a PvE server.

You can get all of the fair/consensual/instanced PvP you want on a PvE server. All the same options... Except for one.

You're talking about removing that one.

Please let that sink in. You're talking about turning off the one thing that makes a PvP server different than a PvE server.

If you think that turning off PvP is a good idea... If you want PvE server rules... please transfer to one. It's clearly where you belong.

[Soho]

Well, in all honesty, his opinion is wrong anyway, since he's trying to promote it as fact. The only facts that exist with the current system of PVP is that:

A) It is horribly broken.
B) This was not the PVP system we were led to believe would be around at launch.

Therefore, the fact that certain people would be open to disabling said broken PVP, for any given reason, is not only plausible, but also understandable.

Please allow me to illustrate the difference between facts and opinions for you since you seem to be confused.

This is an opinion:
1. "PvP is horribly broken"
They call that an opinion because it's subjective and not everyone feels that way.

Now this is a fact:
1. The only difference between a PvP server and a PvE server, is the ability to flag up and kill anyone you want, any time you want.
They call that a fact because regardless of how anyone feels, it's still true.

You're talking about removing that one ability that makes PvP servers different... Which would do what? I bet even you guessed it!

It would make the PvP server the same as a PvE server!

If that's the type of server rules that you enjoy, maybe you should consider playing on a server with those rules?

Seriously, do you people roll on a PvP server just so you can say you play on a PvP server?! I really can't think of any other explanation for it.

You clearly don't like its one defining quality... And you can transfer to another server that has all of the same qualities except the one you don't like... For free!

The solution couldn't be any easier and yet you prefer to bitch and moan. Pathetic.

[Avarice]

My name is Soho, and I like to whine and complain in a childish manner when people's views don't match my own. They should really stop disliking what I like!

You don't say!

[Soho]

My name is Avarice and I like to be able to say I play on a PvP server even though I can only handle PvE server rules!

See how that works?

My posts (prior to responding to your stupidity, here) are factual, not opinions. You're one of the people whining about PvP. I'm just pointing out the fact that instead of QQing, you have the option to play on a server that caters to people like you.

[Trocian]

That's literally, the single defining characteristic of an open world PvP server.

Where does it say that a PvP server should be totally open? They could slap a PvP-tag on a PvE server and make one zone in total PvP-enabled, and that'd be that.

You're so set in what you think PvP is, and everyone who thinks different should go play PvE instead.

If there were no safe zones anywhere, then you'd actually have an argument, but now we're stuck with invisible barriers that make anyone invicible to other players. Let's face it, this is a PvE game with the PvP slapped on as an afterthought.

[Avarice]

Nowhere did I say I couldn't handle PvP, as I'm quite clearly still on the server. I'm just stating that the PvP ruleset is broken as fuck and caters to lowest of the low.

You've also said twice now that the only difference between PvP and PvE is that ability to flag outlaw at will, but you've said nothing about GvGs, another thing that differentiates between the two server types (read: PvE doesn't have those).

You're constantly complaining about other people's likes and dislikes because you feel it threatens your view of the game and you don't want enough of those complaints to reach EnMasse's ears because it'll risk a change to the way you can play (I assume you love to gank lower levels or just be a dick in general, otherwise you wouldn't be so adamant about changing nothing). Unfortunately for you, you're in the minority; I promise you, if a poll were made among the four PvP servers that the majority would want some kind of change to the ruleset.

[Rulke]

Edit: Fuck, here we go with the PVP again. My bad, mods.

S'cool dude. I did the same thing and didn't even realize it till after the fact, but was too busy at work to mod myself >.>;

[Leashedragon]

Oh god, not this guy again...

You clearly don't like its one defining quality... And you can transfer to another server that has all of the same qualities except the one you don't like... For free!

For someone who speaks facts only, and not opinion, maybe you should get them right when you actually do state one. Unless by "transfer" you meant create a new character on another server, which isn't very "transfering" to me.

What servers can I transfer to?

If you are on a PVP server, at this time, you will only be permitted to transfer to another PVP server. If you are on either a PVE or RP-PVE server, at this time, you can transfer to another PVE or RP-PVE server only. We will also have restrictions on transfers to high population servers.

Found right here at: https://tera-support.enmasse.com/app...etail/a_id/352

Even tested with characters under the account manager.

It's a shame that some people who want fun, competitive, PVP believe that there are others out there that want the same; despite knowing that it will most likely be a bunch of douchebags running around screaming "QQ MORE FAG" as they one shot lowbies claiming it's PVP because, obviously, it was a player killing another player. I mean, that's what PVP stands for right? Player vs player. That's what the game intends for me to do; kill lowbies!

Again, it's your opinion on what PVP is. What you think PVP is, in your eyes. Player vs player, whether it be someone of equal level, or a group of lowbies you can one shot with an AoE. It's player vs player. There are varying ideas, opinions, and beliefs that people have and hold themselves to when it comes to PVP. Yours is not the only one, although you seem to think it is while throwing out insults and how people should go to PVE servers just because they think differently.

You sit here and whine about those who would like a better playing ground for PVP, and how they're the ones that ruin PVP... when you're whining yourself. You are, more than likely, one of the whiners that whined the loudest to EME about adding the penalties for the outlaw system which got it removed. While you may not have been one of the ones directly whining as I don't have any proof and it is my said opinion, you seem to have the same mindset as that group. (IE: Get off my PVP server if you don't like my 60 ganking your level 12) You fit it perfectly.

It's amazing, though... I can't seem to figure out of you're a troll or just that plain stubborn/stupid. You keep coming back, throwing your opinions in as facts and maybe an occasional real fact; you seem to be the only one, from what I can tell as you are always* met with people who don't share in your beliefs. (*I'll give you some credit in saying maybe some of your points might have been agreeable on to a point as I've not read everything you've ever posted here, though.) Yet, your way is the only way?

[Soho]

Not sure why you seem to assume I'm a lowbie ganker. I have exactly ZERO infamy on any of my three characters. And that's with fairly constant PvP activity. In fact, I think the only time I ever had infamy at all was when a Lv25 attacked my 31 Sorcerer lowbie. I ended up getting a one-shot on him before I noticed his level. My infamy was worked off in under an hour.

I never said PvP in Tera was perfect or shouldn't be changed. There are many issues that need to be addressed. And I also never said that anything should be "my way" vs any other way.

What I said was:
The defining characteristic of a PvP server (vs a PvE server) is open world PvP. Because of this, I don't think that world PvP should be able to be turned off at the whim of some other player because they don't like it. And if someone really doesn't like world PvP, they should probably switch to a PvE server.

Regarding my statement that the servers are the same apart from open world PvP:
You are correct. I was wrong. I was under the impression that GvG was also available on PvE servers. That does make it more lame to switch to a PvE server if you, in fact, do like GvG fights but not open world PvP. That was my mistake. I was misinformed. I apologize.

[MaachaQ]

Turning off PvP... On a PvP server.

Sounds like at least three of you need to move to PvE servers. It's just tragic that you people roll on PvP servers to begin with.

If you only want fair/consensual/instanced PvP, you can get that on any PvE server. Please transfer to one. You just make the PvP servers lame with all your QQing.

It's lame that I can be walking around skilling up gathering or killing random mobs while waiting for the instance matcher and some asshat a few higher levels than me can sneak up behind me and one-shot me.

There needs to be some kind of debuff given to people who outlaw all the time just to ruin other people's days, like we were led to believe there would be. Something like "kill 10 players below your level, you can't enter town for an hour or the gate guards will kill you."

[Soho]

It's lame that I can be walking around skilling up gathering or killing random mobs while waiting for the instance matcher and some asshat a few higher levels than me can sneak up behind me and one-shot me.

There needs to be some kind of debuff given to people who outlaw all the time just to ruin other people's days, like we were led to believe there would be. Something like "kill 10 players below your level, you can't enter town for an hour or the gate guards will kill you."

I agree 100% that anyone who is PvP flagged should not be able to enter a safe zone without being attacked by guards. This would also fix safe zone humping during fights which I see as one of the major flaws in the current system.

Outlaws would probably still have to be allowed into major cities though, otherwise there will be people who cannot ever enter one again lol. As was mentioned earlier, there are definitely asshats who will be perma-flagged due to lowbie ganking.

[Jackyl]

It's lame that I can be walking around skilling up gathering or killing random mobs while waiting for the instance matcher and some asshat a few higher levels than me can sneak up behind me and one-shot me.

There needs to be some kind of debuff given to people who outlaw all the time just to ruin other people's days, like we were led to believe there would be. Something like "kill 10 players below your level, you can't enter town for an hour or the gate guards will kill you."

Agreed. Also, I wish the outlaw mechanic would be a little different. It's kind of lame to run by a group of people, then suddenly the said group all go outlaw and team up to rape me. I think it would be good if it takes a certain amount of time for the outlaw effect to kick in after being triggered. And between the time it is triggered and it actually kicks in, the name of the person would flash between red and white. Then at least the other player has a chance to see what is going on and can react accordingly. I'm thinking it should be anywhere from 10 seconds to 30 seconds.

Good or bad idea? This is my first PVP enabled MMO so maybe I'm thinking too carebear?