Teenager shot/killed while Tweek's hero gets off free

**Trinsie** · 2012-03-20 06:22

I get what you are saying, but being stupid and not following neighborhood watch rules, does not make someone a murderer. It comes down to if it is within reasonable doubt that he could have felt his life was in immediate danger (from the beating or maybe they wrestled with the gun I wasn't there). If the answer is yes then we go to the next step which is there the possibility that this was manslaughter and if not then to the next step. Confronting someone and not following the neighborhood watch general guidelines are not illegal as far as I know. It comes down to if it was murder or self defense.

**Eurell** · 2012-03-20 06:29

Originally Posted by Trinsie

I get what you are saying, but being stupid and not following neighborhood watch rules, does not make someone a murderer. It comes down to if it is within reasonable doubt that he could have felt his life was in immediate danger (from the beating or maybe they wrestled with the gun I wasn't there). If the answer is yes then we go to the next step which is there the possibility that this was manslaughter and if not then to the next step. Confronting someone and not following the neighborhood watch general guidelines are not illegal as far as I know. It comes down to if it was murder or self defense.

The problem with self defense though, is that he created the situation. He ignored the Police dispatcher and chased this kid while carrying a gun. If trayvon had hit him, that would have been self defense, trying to get away from this crazy fuck chasing him in the middle of the night. I don't see how you can call self defense though when its your own goddamn fault that shit happened.

**falseliberty** · 2012-03-20 06:30

I live in Orlando so this has been preety big news down here so far

one thing that haven't seen mentioned here (if it has please for give me) is that this zimmerman dood has a history of placing alot of 911 phone calls think something like 70-60 calls in one year and for things like neighbors leaving windows open and whatnot.
the place he was watching over was also an upscale gated community I believe. This leads me to think that the guy is one of those "didn't make into police force or army types".

people shouting racism here I think are confused, much more simple than that. Just plain murder, the laws are real simple on this if you carry a concealed weapon you can only draw if you feel your life is in danger.

Even IF it turns out zimmerman did act in self defense, hes gonna get nailed for putting himself in a situation like that on purpose in the 1st place
IMO the guy should fry.

**Eurell** · 2012-03-20 06:31

Originally Posted by Trinsie

Well apparently you don't give a shit what I write, you are just here to get your rocks off trolling.

And as someone else pointed out, they wanted the source (the webstie link) to wherever you were getting your info. When people come into a thread telling us we're circle jerking and shit, don't expect everyone to reply with kindness lol. And at the very least, back up your claims with the link to the article you read this shit in.

**falseliberty** · 2012-03-20 06:38

slightly OT but isn't it a crime to call 911 multiple times for BS stuff?

**Trinsie** · 2012-03-20 06:50

Originally Posted by falseliberty

slightly OT but isn't it a crime to call 911 multiple times for BS stuff?

Only if it is proven to be BS stuff. He was a neighborhood watch captain in a gated community. Anyone who doesn't live in the community is sort of trespassing and he can report it if he wants.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Pol...d/-/index.html

This links says 46 times in a bout a year and a quarter which is less than once per week and a half.

Edit found something that said zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and head http://www.thefloridanewsjournal.com...-shot-trayvon- trying to find the actual info about how he was taken to the hospital by police afterward hard to find things you read 2 days ago or so.

**Eurell** · 2012-03-20 06:58

He was a self-appointed neighborhood watch, right? Not registered or anything? Also, someone posted something about him calling 911 when people left their windows open. If thats true, thats a fucking bs call lol.

**Trinsie** · 2012-03-20 07:03

Originally Posted by Eurell

He was a self-appointed neighborhood watch, right? Not registered or anything? Also, someone posted something about him calling 911 when people left their windows open. If thats true, thats a fucking bs call lol.

Says self appointed captain I thought. Neighborhood watches make themselves right? I just figured it meant he volunteered to lead the watch.

Anyway http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...-shot-rang-out
Zimmermans police report says he was screaming for help before he shot trayvon. How good is audio science? Can they easily figure out from the recording who was screaming for help?

**Sera** · 2012-03-20 07:08

Originally Posted by falseliberty

I live in Orlando so this has been preety big news down here so far

one thing that haven't seen mentioned here (if it has please for give me) is that this zimmerman dood has a history of placing alot of 911 phone calls think something like 70-60 calls in one year and for things like neighbors leaving windows open and whatnot.
the place he was watching over was also an upscale gated community I believe. This leads me to think that the guy is one of those "didn't make into police force or army types".

people shouting racism here I think are confused, much more simple than that. Just plain murder, the laws are real simple on this if you carry a concealed weapon you can only draw if you feel your life is in danger.

Even IF it turns out zimmerman did act in self defense, hes gonna get nailed for putting himself in a situation like that on purpose in the 1st place
IMO the guy should fry.

I'm telling you guys, frying innocent kid killers is a mistake

Inmates will eat him alive which is way better

**Sera** · 2012-03-20 07:10

Originally Posted by Trinsie

Says self appointed captain I thought. Neighborhood watches make themselves right? I just figured it meant he volunteered to lead the watch.

Anyway http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...-shot-rang-out
Zimmermans police report says he was screaming for help before he shot trayvon. How good is audio science? Can they easily figure out from the recording who was screaming for help?

No. He was self appointed captain of a FAKE UNAUTHORIZED neighborhood watch chapter. As in he started his own operation not sanctioned by the actual neighborhood watch organization ... Which the police didn't know, they thought he was legit but never bothered to check

Originally Posted by Eurell

This is why noone gives a shit. He broke every fucking neighborhood watch rule there was, and went against what the police told him. He absolutely created the situation.

he didnt KNOW the neighborhood watch guidelines and rules because he wasn't actually affiliated with neighborhood watch. He is a fucking gunhappy vigilante. The guy fancies himself Batman or something. He took it UPON HIMSELF to be an "enforcer" for the neighborhood. He was a flat out dangerous meddler. Nothing more. We should all stop even referring to neighborhood watch because he legitimately has NOTHING to do with that organization.

**Sera** · 2012-03-20 07:11

Also witnesses say that's treyvons voice screaming for help, not Zimmerman

**Sera** · 2012-03-20 07:13

Originally Posted by falseliberty

slightly OT but isn't it a crime to call 911 multiple times for BS stuff?

I think it's up to the police to pursue that, its not something people automatically get into trouble for

**Trinsie** · 2012-03-20 08:05

That is several posts with things. When I say something everyone jumps on me and says I didn't put links I don't see anyone else providing links. Sera I will need a link to these witnesses that say it is Trayvon screaming and now zimmerman. I was under the impression that there were no visual witnesses and only people who heard things like from their house or the kid with the dog that says the dog got away and he heard a shot. Or did you mean witness by "heard" and not "saw" in which case how do they know who's voices it is?

Second I will need a link to proof he was not in a real neighborhood watch, because I went to the neighborhood watch site and all you have to do is call the police and have one show up for your first meeting to set one up and go from there. That could have been set up years ago. I haven't seen anything yet that says he was eader of a fake neighborhood watch group.

**Eurell** · 2012-03-20 08:17

Originally Posted by Trinsie

That is several posts with things. When I say something everyone jumps on me and says I didn't put links I don't see anyone else providing links. Sera I will need a link to these witnesses that say it is Trayvon screaming and now zimmerman. I was under the impression that there were no visual witnesses and only people who heard things like from their house or the kid with the dog that says the dog got away and he heard a shot. Or did you mean witness by "heard" and not "saw" in which case how do they know who's voices it is?

Second I will need a link to proof he was not in a real neighborhood watch, because I went to the neighborhood watch site and all you have to do is call the police and have one show up for your first meeting to set one up and go from there. That could have been set up years ago. I haven't seen anything yet that says he was eader of a fake neighborhood watch group.

Its normally pretty easy to distinguish the voice of a 17 year old black kid and a 28 year old hispanic. The links for all the stuff you're asking for have been throughout the entire thread. Noone is going to post the Same link already in the thread whenever we reference a post.

**Trinsie** · 2012-03-20 08:24

Originally Posted by Eurell

Its normally pretty easy to distinguish the voice of a 17 year old black kid and a 28 year old hispanic. The links for all the stuff you're asking for have been throughout the entire thread. Noone is going to post the Same link already in the thread whenever we reference a post.

I must be blind and missed the link in this thread to proof that it was a fake neighborhood watch group. If you are saynig witnesses from sound then I guess I take that back. Although I heard the 911 call and I couldn't tell you who was screaming.

Edit: After a second look I still couldn't find the link so I can only jump to conclusions that you are saying the link exists when it doesn't so that someone you like doesn't have to back up their claims with actual facts.

**Sera** · 2012-03-20 08:30

Originally Posted by Trinsie

Sera I will need a link to these witnesses that say it is Trayvon screaming and now zimmerman. I was under the impression that there were no visual witnesses and only people who heard things like from their house or the kid with the dog that says the dog got away and he heard a shot. Or did you mean witness by "heard" and not "saw" in which case how do they know who's voices it is?

Second I will need a link to proof he was not in a real neighborhood watch, because I went to the neighborhood watch site and all you have to do is call the police and have one show up for your first meeting to set one up and go from there. That could have been set up years ago. I haven't seen anything yet that says he was eader of a fake neighborhood watch group.

Read the goddamn thread. There are links to ALL of those things and articles about them. Don't come in here spouting bullshit opinions and put the responsibility on ME to prove you wrong when the answers are already in the goddamn thread if you just bothered to fucking read it. Your laziness is not my problem, motherfucker, Literacy. Go back and read.

**Trinsie** · 2012-03-20 08:36

Originally Posted by Sera

Read the goddamn thread. There are links to ALL of those things and articles about them. Don't come in here spouting bullshit opinions and put the responsibility on ME to prove you wrong when the answers are already in the goddamn thread if you just bothered to fucking read it. Your laziness is not my problem, motherfucker, Literacy. Go back and read.

The is no link to proof that the neighborhood watch he was part of is fake. You should read this thread there are links proving everything I said is true. It is not up to me to go through the thread and show you these links. Your laziness is not my problem, motherfucker, Literacy. Go back and read. See how easy it is to make false claims and then get defensive to cover it up?

**imveryemo** · 2012-03-20 08:37

I will never understand the amount of butt devastation over this, as a sheriffs office employee and having been on a number of calls with CSI, I can tell you that if it wasn't a righteous kill he'd be in solitary in county jail with no bail until trial.

**Lucavi** · 2012-03-20 08:40

Originally Posted by Trinsie

Says self appointed captain I thought. Neighborhood watches make themselves right? I just figured it meant he volunteered to lead the watch.

Anyway http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...-shot-rang-out
Zimmermans police report says he was screaming for help before he shot trayvon. How good is audio science? Can they easily figure out from the recording who was screaming for help?

They have official neighborhood watch lists and he wasn't on any. The guy was a vigilante, pure and simple.

**Trinsie** · 2012-03-20 08:42

Originally Posted by Lucavi

They have official neighborhood watch lists and he wasn't on any. The guy was a vigilante, pure and simple.

People keep saying this and two people have even said there is proof of this in this very thread, however I cannot find any proof he was not on a real neighborhood watch even using google. Saying it isn't so doesn't make it the case.

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