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    NM Template Additions

    Looking to add more to the current NM pages. This is the list I have so far. Any other stuff people would like to see?


    How to Spawn
    *Zone(s)
    *Position
    *Pop item
    *Which set of mob the NM is a lottery off
    * A section for the POLUtilis replacement (For people to change the name of the lottery NQ mob) + Description of location on widescan/POLUtilis so people know which mob to replace
    Abilities (Can throw 2hrs here too)
    * Name
    * Additional Effect
    * Damage (Probably an estimate of the damage against DDs)
    * Conditions of use (HP, Stance, Player reactions)
    * Range
    * Physical/Magic
    Pets
    * Name
    * Condition
    Stances
    * Name (This is made up)
    * What triggers the mode
    * Effects of the mode
    Spells
    * Name
    * Damage
    * Conditions of use
    Additional Traits (Apart from class traits)
    * Name (ex: Regain, EnSpell; Invisible HP Bar;Draw-in; Auto-regen; Intimidation effect)
    * Effect (ex: 10TP/Tick)
    Notes
    * Normal Attacks are TP attacks
    * Additional stuff
    Stuff I haven't decided how to organize/add
    * Immunities (Concern: Mass list if
    * Resistances (My concern here is that "resists" may be due to MDT/MDB, so
    I would prefer to list that than simply say resist)
    * Stuff effective against the NM
    Mob Stats
    * Main/Subs
    * HP
    * MP
    * ATT
    * DEF
    * STR
    * VIT
    * DEX
    * AGI
    * INT
    * MND
    * CHR
    * PDT
    * MDT
    * MAB
    * MDB
    * SDT
    * Accuracy
    * Evasion

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    Approximate stats (hp, relavent base stats, mdb, mab, mdt/pdt, att/def)

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    Throwing some ideas for the look here.

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    Ohhh I like this alternative


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    Hnngggggggggggggggggggggggg

    HP : Okay, sometimes people estimate this.
    MP : We don't know how much MP any monster in the game has, unless someone counted Kirin and Genbu spells before they run out of MP.
    STR : We don't know how much STR any monster in the game has
    VIT : Sometimes we know this
    AGI : Sometimes (rarely) we know this
    INT : Sometimes we know this, but the information isn't freely available and would have to be re-determined for all but (three?) monsters.
    MND : Sometimes we know this, but the information isn't freely available and would have to be re-determined for all but (three?) monsters.
    CHR : Sometimes we know this, but the information isn't freely available and would have to be re-determined for all but (three?) monsters.
    ATT : We know the attack of Ig Alima and that's it
    DEF : Sometimes we know this
    MAB : Rarely known
    MDB : Sometimes known for NMs
    PDT : Almost never known
    MDT : Occasionally known
    SDT : Almost never known

    If we do add this to the NM template, it obviously needs to default to not being shown because every field will be empty most of the time.

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    My primary concern was the look of the template, but as for the stats, most mobs run off preset stats (I think Motenten or Masamune did this), so a few data points would help guess/estimate (or precisely find) the rest of the stats. Some stats are almost never found, but we may as well have a spot for them anyways. Doesn't hurt in my opinion at least.

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    Mob evasion? I've noticed the eva posted for some mobs when I browse other wiki.

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    I think some of those stats it's not so much as it's rarely none as rarely reported. At most people will be like shit that has alot of mab or something but if we have a slot for it the people that do go out and find out will fill it in and might encourage people to look.

    Though I'll agree on the str, mnd, chr, and mp one. Hard to deteremine and usually absolutely useless to know

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    If we want all those stats on there, the template needs to be developed so that sections of it are hidden if they are left not filled in. If every monster page has a blank list of STR/VIT/whatever, it's going to look awful.

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    Is the hidden option able to hide any part of the page? Could hide like this:

    Row1: Mob Stats
    Row2: Stat Values
    Row3: Stat Values2

    Hide Row2 and Row3 only.

    And here is a preview using BG-Wiki's current colors:


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    Honestly, I am worried that a lot of the information will never be filled in.

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    I'm not understanding why blanks are bad tbh. That said, BLU makes much of this information obtainable. Whether people decide to investigate is on the players. For example, Prothescar did research on a few mobs including Pil and I believe Motenten found Qilin's stats (Qilin's isn't recorded but Pil is). Having this information for some mob would help since people often ask which mob to use when doing dSTAT or pDIF calculations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yugl View Post
    I'm not understanding why blanks are bad tbh. That said, BLU makes much of this information obtainable. Whether people decide to investigate is on the players. For example, Prothescar did research on a few mobs including Pil and I believe Motenten found Qilin's stats (Qilin's isn't recorded but Pil is). Having this information for some mob would help since people often ask which mob to use when doing dSTAT or pDIF calculations.
    Blanks and red links make me sad.

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    Got lazy on the details, but still:

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    Arch Omega casts Magic? eww.

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    No, that's just a sample.

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    That's why I like to stick to The Omega Hare for sample purposes.

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