07/23/2012 Update- Dat Mining Discussion

[Obsidian]

The entire set is somewhat useful for BLU in some scenarios, and I'm relatively certain that COR can also get some use out of it.

Is it really worth the ~4M (all the staves seem to be floating around 950,000 on Ragnarok right now) to a COR or a BLU? CORs only use Fire Shot anyway, and they already carry Vulcan's.

I don't play BLU and I won't feign knowledge of the job, so I have no idea what they use staves for outside Whisker cleaving.

[Alistaire]

How does that match old staves? Weather bonuses and penalties are independent of the bonus/penalties associated with casting equipped with elemental staves.

OK here's the possibilities:

1. They made this staff like old staves, and ON TOP OF THAT gave it a boost during weather.
2. They made this staff like old staves BUT ONLY WHEN there's weather.

Got it?

Edit: Also lol @ this: New bst pet requires the 1 new fish this update when there's also 1 new fish that can be gutted for the Inside the Belly quest. That's gonna be a clusterfuck if the BST pet is worth it at all.

[Slycer]

I would like it as mentioned above for my Cor. But if its weather dependent to activate its affinity based states, it becomes pretty useless as an all round staff.

It almost certainly is not. They fairly explicitly stated that it was essentially the magic attack/accuracy/avatar perp cost- stats of all eight elemental staves combined into one, and the Iridescence was a separate weather-related bonus on top of all that.

Edit: @Alistaire, I see what you meant now, and I believe this post addresses that too - I'm almost positive the weather bonus is on top of the normal staff stats. It'd be complete rubbish otherwise.

[Dotsudoku]

I'm not really sure how that scenario crossed your mind. They explicitly stated that the staff would have identical hidden benefits to its predecessors. The weather bonus is probably going to be akin to obis, allowing for a bit more consolidation for lazy people without magian staves.

[Prothescar]

Is it really worth the ~4M (all the staves seem to be floating around 950,000 on Ragnarok right now) to a COR or a BLU? CORs only use Fire Shot anyway, and they already carry Vulcan's.

I don't play BLU and I won't feign knowledge of the job, so I have no idea what they use staves for outside Whisker cleaving.

When also taking into account the potential power of additional weather bonuses? Yes. 4m is a pittance regardless.

[Septimus]

Is it really worth the ~4M (all the staves seem to be floating around 950,000 on Ragnarok right now) to a COR or a BLU? CORs only use Fire Shot anyway, and they already carry Vulcan's.

I don't play BLU and I won't feign knowledge of the job, so I have no idea what they use staves for outside Whisker cleaving.

Anyone who has been playing this game for any amount of time should already have all 8 HQ staves anyway. Anyone who does not just has to wait for a few weeks for the price to crash back down to normal. I am looking forward to saving a shit-ton of inventory space and hope that we can get this for Magian Staves next.

[Alistaire]

Anyone who has been playing this game for any amount of time should already have all 8 HQ staves anyway. Anyone who does not just has to wait for a few weeks for the price to crash back down to normal. I am looking forward to saving a shit-ton of inventory space and hope that we can get this for Magian Staves next.

But also anyone with staves may have easily gone for a shot at +4 MAB on them through FoV, which makes them unusable in making the new staff.

[SephYuyX]

I can wait a few months for the prices to come back down sub 100k.
Gotta love people who pay 1m+ when they werent even that expensive during the inflation.

[dasva]

Edit: Also lol @ this: New bst pet requires the 1 new fish this update when there's also 1 new fish that can be gutted for the Inside the Belly quest. That's gonna be a clusterfuck if the BST pet is worth it at all.

Pretty sure the new guttable fish is Matsya

Also as far as the discussions sure magian staffs are better for those jobs that have them but can you really argue that most people would make 17 magian staffs? And still have to carry around earth for pdt lol.

Also what I want to know is if I can augment it via FOV .

[Taint]

OK here's the possibilities:

1. They made this staff like old staves, and ON TOP OF THAT gave it a boost during weather.
2. They made this staff like old staves BUT ONLY WHEN there's weather.

Got it?

Edit: Also lol @ this: New bst pet requires the 1 new fish this update when there's also 1 new fish that can be gutted for the Inside the Belly quest. That's gonna be a clusterfuck if the BST pet is worth it at all.

MATSYA

Is the new inside the belly fish, so no harm to the jug market.

[Slycer]

I am looking forward to saving a shit-ton of inventory space and hope that we can get this for Magian Staves next.

They will almost definitely never do this, and I hope they never do it, because if they ever do, it will mean the end of possible upgrades for magians staves. The current level 99 elemental magian staves, even though they each have only one possible augment, are augmented nevertheless, and I'm pretty sure that's to leave room for potential upgrades in the future.

[SephYuyX]

Anyone who has been playing this game for any amount of time should already have all 8 HQ staves anyway.

Sold them after getting Magian qq

[Brehn]

30 ice, earth, water, dark and 15 light is annoying.

EDIT: for the synergy. but the staff looks pretty boss and yay inv!!

[Wardeniii]

Shaper's Shawl and Plumb Boots.

The only possible places it seems these could have been added are

A) Heroine's Holdfast
B) New "Inside the Belly" Fish
C) The Yagudo Piper Change

If I had to make a hypothesis, I would guess that the cape comes from gutting the fish, and the boots perhaps come from the Holdfast BC?

Only reason I am guessing these two things is because they are the only new pieces of content added which seem that they could have an item reward. I'd quite like those boots though, so I'm hoping it isn't the new BC, since there are a limited number of entry permits, and idiots who won't even use them will certainly lot them too.

[Obsidian]

Anyone who has been playing this game for any amount of time should already have all 8 HQ staves anyway.

I'm missing Apollo's because I don't play BRD BST or WHM and never really needed it. I'm not saying the combined staff isn't worth it (the name for it is pretty stupid though), but paying 4M when you could wait a week and pay a fraction of that seems silly to me, especially considering I'm pretty broke as it is.

[Prothescar]

preliminary testing indicates that iridescence adds 10% to weather bonus and makes weather proc guaranteed... and with obi on there's no further damage difference... testing more, but it looks like this staff combines obis AND staves

[Septimus]

But also anyone with staves may have easily gone for a shot at +4 MAB on them through FoV, which makes them unusable in making the new staff.

Considering that the FoV augmenting system was one of the most nanners things that they came up with in this game, I don't think that many people did that.

They will almost definitely never do this, and I hope they never do it, because if they ever do, it will mean the end of possible upgrades for magians staves. The current level 99 elemental magian staves, even though they each have only one possible augment, are augmented nevertheless, and I'm pretty sure that's to leave room for potential upgrades in the future.

Honestly, I don't see them ever updating any of the existing Magian weapons again.

30 ice, earth, water, dark and 15 light is annoying.

EDIT: for the synergy. but the staff looks pretty boss and yay inv!!

Any idea of what the WW requirement is?

[Radec]

WW is >16, <70 so far from what I've tried.

[dasva]

I'm gunna laugh my ass of if the skillup back comes from gutting fish. Considering that the fish npcs for like 30k and even at that much it wasn't worth fishing even before hakuryu came out combine with the fact that it would take me 3 days of fishing for bait to get on average 3 per hour once I got all that bait I can imagine those fish selling for quite a bit lol

[Obsidian]

Friend synthed it with WW at sub level, so it's not terribly difficult.