Angon/wyvern aside, both Pchan and Martel are being unfair to MNK in a way other than not including the number of counters per second MNK would need to catch up to DRG and a realistic number of counters (note I do agree MNK does lose and counters aren't very important).
Pchan listed mustela for TP when he probably meant nomkahpa, causing the DPS he quotes from Motenten's sheet to be a LOT higher than what Martel was getting on it, Martel overlooked this, and both of them used inferior gear for the 21 level correction scenario in the relic/mythic thread.
Following all of Pchan's OP word for word Motenten's sheet gives 679.7 DPS. But wait, that TP setup is only 223/256 gear haste, 114.1 delay when capped with MA would be 106.2. Using Nomkahpa hands instead that's fixed and Ddex is still 3 over cap so that jupiter might as well have 1 dex. DPS is now the quoted 725(.5), but it's still inferior (in Motenten sheet) to WSing in pyrosoul instead of rajas and moonshade instead of vulcan, which would give 731.2 DPS.
Level correction.
Originally Posted by Pchanchanging the mob to lv120Originally Posted by Martel
Pchan's listed set with no changes: 329DPS 87.5% tp hit rate, 91% ws hit rate
same set with just gloves in tp set to nomkhapa: 343DPS 86% tp, 90% ws
set with my 3 changes above: 345DPS 86%DPS tp, 89% ws
Now for a set that actually makes some sense on a mob with an extra 84 eva.
Nomkahpa>tantra+2 and jupiter>hollow in TP
heafoc > myrmex in WS
That's 423 DPS, just barely capped both hit rate and ddex in tp and ws.
Not all of these are close to the quoted 283 or 324. What exactly did you guys do for MNK? Seems especially amazing that for DRG one of you got 274, the other 650 and 530. I didn't check the DRG sheet yet, but I'd bet Pchan has DRG lower than it should be because of non capped hit rate in his simulation, on top of cruddy no-angon ratio.
I come in expecting that someone is properly going about shitting on mythics by quantifying things like legion pull times vs locking/not locking buffs, embrava/adloq ticks, and the huge SAM and DRG JA advantages for getting AM3 up over each job in situations that might actually exist... and I find the smartest players forgetting glove names and neglecting delay reduction caps and hit rates.
Edit: checked DRG sheets and fixed some values. Turns out Martel didn't fully cap acc on DRG either. His listed set in the relic thread has uncapped WS acc on level 120 mob. The 530 without angon should be 552 just by WSing in AF3+2 hands, and that still isn't fully capped.