Mythic de-mythification

**pchan** · 2012-09-17 10:27

Originally Posted by Taint

Don't forget DRK gets +45 Acc from Diabolic Eye (last for 3:30 on a 5min timer)

Souleater also adds +25 Acc which is not accounted for on the spreadsheet.

DRK should have the least amount of ACC problems. (esp with their ability to swap gear and still cap delay)

Feint, goodbye acc builds.

**pchan** · 2012-09-17 10:33

Ok so for this setup (ig-ilama), that I will call "strong" the results are (note : dex is not optimized, all dd are gaining 10 dex only and ig ilama has 15 more agi, but this gives an idea).

(Only pup doesn't cap acc now)

Code:

pup
DPS : 227.607927
monk
DPS : 339.173936, spharai : 323.433438
glanz
DPS : shijin : 350.700562, ascetic : 382.054705
ryunohige
DPS : 289.150449, relic : 174.168450
war
DPS : 332.412269
conqueror
DPS : 331.409615
koga
DPS : 423.557623
liberator
DPS : 297.370414
ragnarok
DPS : 288.266829

(I edited this once because I forgot 5% haste on spharai and glanzfaust for some reason)

**pchan** · 2012-09-17 10:54

As a reference, listing the dps that were calculated with the mob from the OP, which I will call "weak"

Code:

pup
DPS : 708.234969
monk
DPS : 710.415905, relic : 693.122502
glanz
DPS : shijin : 760.280471, ascetic : 701.642204
ryunohige
DPS : 758.932999, relic : 489.322008
war
DPS : 731.146834
conqueror
DPS : 750.268446
koga
DPS : 868.708633
liberator
DPS : 765.887193
ragnarok
DPS : 689.566326

**Taint** · 2012-09-17 11:10

TP (valk has 6acc 3ta augment)

Spoiler: show

WS

Spoiler: show

Buffs

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Mob

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Setup

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Data

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Results

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Souleater off

TP (armada has 6stp 3da augment)

Spoiler: show

Results

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Phorcys set bonus is not accounted for

**Byrthnoth** · 2012-09-17 11:26

You can enter it manually on the Gear screen.

**Taint** · 2012-09-17 11:33

Originally Posted by Byrthnoth

You can enter it manually on the Gear screen.

Thanks!

Changed WS feet to Phorcys (SE down set still needs more ACC)

With set bonus

694 with Souleater

408 without Souleater

**pchan** · 2012-09-17 11:46

I'm now listing the DPS for an angon setup on ig-ilama, which I will call "strong angon". It's the same buff as "strong" with a -20% def.

Code:

pup
DPS : 283.454789
monk
DPS : 414.254493, spharai : 385.504364
glanz
DPS : shijin : 409.718392, ascetic : 410.843368
ryunohige
DPS : 380.229445, relic : 242.988904
war
DPS : 441.890634
conqueror
DPS : 401.622653
koga
DPS : 453.435146
liberator
DPS : 345.282786
ragnarok
DPS : 376.139636

**Taint** · 2012-09-17 11:57

Originally Posted by pchan

I'm now listing the DPS for an angon setup on ig-ilama, which I will call "strong angon". It's the same buff as "strong" with a -20% def.

Code:

pup
DPS : 283.454789
monk
DPS : 414.254493, spharai : 385.504364
glanz
DPS : shijin : 409.718392, ascetic : 410.843368
ryunohige
DPS : 380.229445, relic : 242.988904
war
DPS : 441.890634
conqueror
DPS : 401.622653
koga
DPS : 453.435146
liberator
DPS : 345.282786
ragnarok
DPS : 376.139636

Rag DRK should be a min of 408 DPS, my work is posted above and thats with SE down. Even if its a 5min fight and SE is only up for 20% of the time, DPS is 465. SE up the whole fight and you are looking at 694 min.

**ccl** · 2012-09-17 12:02

Why are you guys doing Ig-Alima simulation without voidwatch buff ? I have way higher dps on mine but I account for voidwatch buff/braver/atmacite ect.

I can understand just wanting brd buff for 6 man stuff, but not for harder mob, where you either have VW buff or embrava/cor+brd(legion) or both.

Now if it's just to have simulation on thing that doesn't exist atm nvm that and go ahead.

**Taint** · 2012-09-17 12:06

Originally Posted by ccl

Why are you guys doing Ig-Alima simulation without voidwatch buff ? I have way higher dps on mine but I account for voidwatch buff/braver/atmacite ect.

I can understand just wanting brd buff for 6 man stuff, but not for harder mob, where you either have VW buff or embrava/cor+brd(legion) or both.

Now if it's just to have simulation on thing that doesn't exist atm nvm that and go ahead.

I was just playing by Pchan's rules.

COuld be similar to Ig in Legion?

**Alistrianna** · 2012-09-17 12:14

The acc needs for MNK vs Ig. Is that around 80 acc in gear/buffs after level correction?

**ccl** · 2012-09-17 12:26

Originally Posted by Taint

I was just playing by Pchan's rules.

COuld be similar to Ig in Legion?

Maybe, looks like Ig in legion is lvl 120ish too, if they ever add invincible/god mode to test server will be easier to find out, once my ls start doing mul I'll try to gather some data if their stat haven't been figured by then.

Anyway I didn't do all job, but the more you add buff, the more ahead I have drk and war from other jobs. (Didn't do Ryu drg that much so this one might be as good/better)

**NynJa** · 2012-09-17 12:31

Originally Posted by pchan

Feint, goodbye acc builds.

Feint is active 25% of the time, not 100%

**Hohenheim** · 2012-09-17 12:35

whats my gastraphetes' dps?

**pchan** · 2012-09-17 12:37

Originally Posted by Taint

Rag DRK should be a min of 408 DPS, my work is posted above and thats with SE down. Even if its a 5min fight and SE is only up for 20% of the time, DPS is 465. SE up the whole fight and you are looking at 694 min.

So 6% better with optimized gear ? Not going to bother as none of the gear is optimized for high level mobs.

Originally Posted by ccl

Why are you guys doing Ig-Alima simulation without voidwatch buff ? I have way higher dps on mine but I account for voidwatch buff/braver/atmacite ect.

I can understand just wanting brd buff for 6 man stuff, but not for harder mob, where you either have VW buff or embrava/cor+brd(legion) or both.

Now if it's just to have simulation on thing that doesn't exist atm nvm that and go ahead.

Idk, every time I post a dps comparison a get thrown a "doesn't work on higher level mob with higher defense" in the face. As for me the "weak" setup covers 99% of the game.

Originally Posted by Alistrianna

The acc needs for MNK vs Ig. Is that around 80 acc in gear/buffs after level correction?

After level corerection, though I didn't account for stuff like impetus accuracy and gear swap. You can probably gain 30 accuracy playing around my setup.

Originally Posted by NynJa

Feint is active 25% of the time, not 100%

50%.

**Alistrianna** · 2012-09-17 12:49

Would the Impetus acc bonus even be worth considering though? I was under impression that Thaumas is better for TP, so realistically the only time Impetus acc bonus should matter is during a WS.

**NynJa** · 2012-09-17 13:02

30 second debuff on a 2 minute timer
How is that 50%

**Alistrianna** · 2012-09-17 13:03

guess hes assuming fight should be 1 minute long =D

**ccl** · 2012-09-17 13:04

Originally Posted by pchan

As for me the "weak" setup covers 99% of the game.

I totally agree on that that weak/fodder is a huge part of the game atm. And that new event and Neo-Salvage seems to go in that way too.

I guess by "doesn't work on high defense ect" people mean heavy (over)buffed situation like Provenance / Legion / T6 VW buff with brd+cor(+ embrava sometimes) wich clearly seems to favor drk and war.

1min to 2min fight mean Souleater/blood rage being up almost 100% of the times, Regain/capped delay favoring non sam on ws frequency ect.

**Taint** · 2012-09-17 13:06

Originally Posted by pchan

So 6% better with optimized gear ? Not going to bother as none of the gear is optimized for high level mobs.

Hardly optimized, the sets I posted are pretty standard and 6% increase in DPS is pretty substantial. (feet swapped for ACC on WS and ring swapped to mars)

Anyways its an interesting discussion and definitely shows that Ragnarok is as good as people make it out to be.

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