Meeble Burrows Findings

**Chimerawizard** · 2012-09-28 19:02

Associate Researcher #1: goal3: 3 members, 2 minutes remained. 3k points each.

**Slycer** · 2012-09-28 22:43

Originally Posted by Chimerawizard

Associate Researcher #3: goal3: 18 mobs; 3 people entered. goal 3 cleared. 2333 points each.
cleared with 2x DD + embrava... goal 3 cleared with 10 minutes remaining. too weak

15 or 18? It was 6 Rowdy and 6 Vociferous on the test server but there are 6 Rowdy and 9 Vociferous in the dats, so I'd have thought it was 15.

**Jem** · 2012-09-29 01:18

Originally Posted by Slycer

15 or 18? It was 6 Rowdy and 6 Vociferous on the test server but there are 6 Rowdy and 9 Vociferous in the dats, so I'd have thought it was 15.

It was 15 when we did it.

**Yugl** · 2012-09-29 01:54

Spoiler: show

**Vag** · 2012-09-29 07:28

Attempted to do Associate Researcher 1 this morning. 1 person in our party of 3 made it in, other 2 were immediately kicked to the place you normally land when you exit. Lost KI's as well.

Probably about 30 people around the Galka when we tried to zone in. Both players I was with were in EU, myself in NA. Not sure if latency played an issue, as this was the first in 5 runs where I was kicked. Only differences were ones mentioned, more people in zone and entering with players overseas.

**Garka** · 2012-09-29 11:59

With the grimoires is there even any reason to have more than 1 then? It seems like it's for just creating seperate progress sinse I can access everything from Dilligence that was given to me for free. Or am I missing something, just trying to justify not getting more than one due to inventory etc.

**Chimerawizard** · 2012-09-29 12:48

I should have done a screen shot, @ start it said 1/18 kills which i found off since I had read here first. but the last mob showed 15/15 wish would hold true to the norm.

**Chimerawizard** · 2012-09-29 12:53

Originally Posted by Garka

With the grimoires is there even any reason to have more than 1 then? It seems like it's for just creating seperate progress sinse I can access everything from Dilligence that was given to me for free. Or am I missing something, just trying to justify not getting more than one due to inventory etc.

I brought my mule into researcher 1-3 so far. We plan on doing researcher 4 before every boss fight to get the bonus to spoils.
Since the Researcher boss looks the most nasty, we will be saving all 19 other bonuses for the researcher boss and going into the others with just the "bonus to spoils."
umm, normal grimoire: t1,t2,t3,t4 new grimoire:researchert4,boss. that's our plan at the moment at least.

**Slycer** · 2012-09-29 13:20

Originally Posted by Vag

Attempted to do Associate Researcher 1 this morning. 1 person in our party of 3 made it in, other 2 were immediately kicked to the place you normally land when you exit. Lost KI's as well.

Probably about 30 people around the Galka when we tried to zone in. Both players I was with were in EU, myself in NA. Not sure if latency played an issue, as this was the first in 5 runs where I was kicked. Only differences were ones mentioned, more people in zone and entering with players overseas.

This was a reported issue which was supposedly fixed...but I guess not completely... I'd post your experience on the bug section official forums because this is actually something they're actively looking at.

As far as having two grimoires, similar logic to Chimera, if you have two grimoires, you can use one just to unlock all the expeditions, then use that one to gather buffs before boss runs. Otherwise you gotta clear expeditions every time just to get to the ones with the buffs you want. For example, if you have one grimoire with every expedition available, and then you do, say, Assistant 1 2 3 4 on the other one, you can go back for one run on the other grimoire, say Researcher 4 for "bonus to spoils", then go do Assistant 5 boss. Remember, only the leader needs access to the non-boss run you enter, and everyone's buffs go to everyone on a boss run. So the leader can use his grimoire to go into the bonus to spoils run, everyone else can get bonus to spoils on their assistant grimoire, and then when they go into the boss run, even the guy who was leading the buff gathering run will still get bonus to spoils, since everyone gets all buffs. Complicated to explain but kind of a simple concept. One grimoire for gathering buffs, one for progress.

**Garka** · 2012-09-29 14:27

Thanks, I never really thought of that concept as far as a buff grim and a progress grim, I guess it will be interesting once we're able to have access to 5 different ones, if we ever are.

**NynJa** · 2012-09-29 17:59

Slycer can you break that down a bit, because I dont think thats possible if I'm understanding what you're saying.

**Helel** · 2012-09-29 18:06

Yeah, I'm confused as well. I'm just going off what is posted on BG wiki but I thought everyone needed clears 1-4 before they could attempt 5. In this case, everyone would have to use the grimoire that has those clears correct? That would prevent anyone from using a separate grimoire that only has buffs active.

Is it the case that once you win a #5 expedition, only the person entering needs the 1-4 clears? That would make more sense to me. Then everyone else could do the other expeditions for buffs, while one person (well 3 minimum) got the clears. If this isn't the case, I don't really see the point of using 2 grimoires, unless you want to use one to spam some expedition that's really easy without losing progress when you fight the boss.

**Garka** · 2012-09-29 18:20

Everyone does need 1-4 clears to attempt 5, when you register to enter 5, each person has to actually choose 5 as the area they want to enter to be able to go into the fight.

**Garka** · 2012-09-29 18:24

The idea behind using 2 is to have 1 with everything unlocked in it to spam specific expeditions for the prowess boosts, sinse you have all of them unlocked and don't use that grim for actual boss fights you don't need to worry about losing expedition progress. Once you get the proper level of prowesses you want, you use your main Grim to do the boss fights.

**Helel** · 2012-09-29 18:39

Originally Posted by Garka

The idea behind using 2 is to have 1 with everything unlocked in it to spam specific expeditions for the prowess boosts, sinse you have all of them unlocked and don't use that grim for actual boss fights you don't need to worry about losing expedition progress. Once you get the proper level of prowesses you want, you use your main Grim to do the boss fights.

I still don't get it because you would still have to use your main grimoire to do the boss fights, thus forfeiting all the prowess boosts from your other grimoire, unless I'm missing something and prowess boosts transfer across grimoires...?

**Delain** · 2012-09-29 18:54

Yeah, I am confused as well. If I understand what the wiki says, clearing up to level 4 in one path unlocks the other paths as well, but not the progress in those paths toward their respective bosses. For example, you could do 1-4 in Adjunct to get access to ladybug fight. Getting that high unlocks the levels 1-4 in the other paths too, but you can only FIGHT the lady bug for expedition 5. But you can do other expeditions in other paths for buffs, which should all now be available.

If that is the case, there is no real need to have a second grimoire with full access to all level 1-4 expeditions, since if you are ready to fight a boss, you already HAVE access. Is this the case, or am I miss understanding wiki?

**Garka** · 2012-09-29 19:27

From the way I have understood it from what the others have said, and I'm just going to kinda go from square 1: 6 people static meeble. The leader gets both grims, all other members get Diligence only. From there the leader always picks the expedition using his Avidity, clearing through all the expeditions needed to get to the expeditions with the boons that they want to be able to use for bosses. The expedition progress on Avidity is never lost since it will never be used to do a boss clear. Once all the boons are to the desired level of the group, the leader then switches over to their Diligence. One of the 5 ranks are chosen and the group does all 1-4 in that rank, unlocking 5 for everyone. The boss is then done with all players having all the accumulated boons earned thus far applied. After then boss run they are wiped, no more boons, but the Avidity grim still has recorded progress for all the desired boons, so the leader swaps to earn the group boons once again and the whole process repeats. It basically saves the time of having to constantly repeat expeditions on 1 grim just to be able to get the Boons the group needs. Now this is how I have understood it, but I myself do ask for Validation on a few things. 1. Can the leader use 1 grim and the other members use another and it still take them into the same area, or does everyone have to use the same grim? 2. Do the Boons truly carry over no matter which grim you use? In other words are the boons recorded on the NPC that tracks progress? (seeing as it shows which clears you have, one can only think you have the boons associated with that clear) Also the point Delain makes is a solid one, since 1-4 in the other areas would be unlocked you could spam them anyways to get the boons needed, which brings question 3. What the heck is the point of more than 1 Grimoire....? For they hypothesis above? Or to make it to where someone can static with different groups and have separate progress in multiple Grims lol.... Or is there a difficulty increase we don't know about as one changes grims?

**NynJa** · 2012-09-29 19:29

the ONLY thing I can think of that would work, the sub-bosses to fight the main boss are KI's you get. Use Grimoire A to farm the KI's. Lets say you want the prowess active from Researcher 4, you have a mule trade Grimoire B, and the person with Grimoire A (leader) re-enters Researcher 4 to get the prowess on Grimoire B for the mule, and when it comes to the Yzarg (or wtv) the mule enters?

Maybe?

**Garka** · 2012-09-29 19:36

That's seems possible, I'm curious as to why there are 3 other grims in the dats. I know we don't have access to them but hell if we're only gonna use 1, and are questioning why to use a 2nd, wth would we use 3 more for.... I guess this brought to me the possible idea of a difficulty change. Is there a plan to add more to meeble? (more ranks/expeditions) and if so why couldn't I just access that from my 1st grim

**Garka** · 2012-09-29 19:49

After thinking about it that seems to be the only thing I can think of now to even use a 2nd for, to gather Boons for Researcher Emeritus Rank.

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