Meeble Burrows Findings

[Ihina]

Just killed goldwing

THF/DNC as the only dd, embrava/haste/haste samba, also boost-str(24), barwater(176) and regen5. Died in like 5 minutes, was amnesia'ed half the time and absolutely zero threat of dying myself. Most damaging thing it did was waterga4 for 850 or so damage.

Just to give another perspective on the fight.

[fantasticdan]

Can you be DCed into meeble burrows (without party members losing KI) the same as in salvage?

[Natallon]

Can you be DCed into meeble burrows (without party members losing KI) the same as in salvage?

I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly, but we might have had a member DC in our run one time but he came back and was able to help us clear.

[Slycer]

The KI is lost outside the zone, and I'm fairly certain that the entry requirements will not be satisfied if at least three people aren't charged a KI. I haven't tried, though, so I suppose it could work.

[Chimerawizard]

I still don't get it because you would still have to use your main grimoire to do the boss fights, thus forfeiting all the prowess boosts from your other grimoire, unless I'm missing something and prowess boosts transfer across grimoires...?

Actually, doing the boss fights without prowess is my point.
Bosses I think the group will NOT need any prowess (-spoils): Goldwing, Silagilith, Surtr, & Dreyruk.
I want Prowess for the others: The other two especially the one with insta-cast Death, 10 second doom and lots of other fun stuffs I think my group should do with A: another trio group that I'm in the process of putting together, and B: 20/20 prowess.

I have a mule with access to Researcher 4 because as I understand it, prowess goes with the grimoire, but clear is just on the character, the mule just brings us into R4.

Now that I saw the Vid; I'm thinking (Team Up?) with other 3 for Researcher 5; 20/20 prowess 3man Researcher Emeritus.

Edit: possibly unclear
I plan on doing tiers with Main Grimoire and Boss floors with Other Grimoire. Assuming above statement holds true today when my group attempts its first boss.

[Delain]

I will second (or fourth) Goldwing being easier than I expected. I am overly cautious, and the post by whoever it was as a trio with THF as soul DD and it being rough I can see being the case purely due to an extended fight. So we went overkill on it and went as an Ukon WAR, a semi gimp Resolution DRK/SAM, and a newly 85ed Vereth MNK/THF (cause his drops are soooo awesome...) and two 2boxed SCHs with Embrava, Phalanx, and Regen 5 up. It went down really fast (before my berserk timer was back up), and our DRK died for some reason due to the two of us two boxing not curing him after the more damaging AOEs. Didnt stun anything, because we are lazy. Overkill by a long shot. Only prowesses were the ones we got doing the preceding expeditions. AGI+10 clearly made all the difference.

[Slycer]

I have an idea behind the "total completion rewards" category of research marks items found in the dats. If you check through the menus, you'll find that the Burrow NPCs record your completion of goals from each expedition on a permanent basis in one of the lists - not grimoire-specific, you can check it even when one isn't traded. For example, it will say "Adjunct #1 ... Goal 3, Adjunct #2 .... Goal 2, Adjunct #3 ... Goal 3, Adjunct #4 ... Incomplete," etc. Perhaps getting goal 3 on every non-boss expedition (in addition to, maybe or maybe not, beating all the bosses), will count for "total completion"? Makes more sense than it being progress-related, because if it was just progress, then unlocking Researcher Emeritus rewards would essentially be the same as total completion.

[Slycer]

Dervish Sword apparently comes from Surtr if anyone cares about that.

And, unrelated to that, just so you guys know, the goals for "Researcher Expedition #2" are phrased completely incorrectly in the game. They say you must kill 8/16/24 pairs of enemies (which would lead you to believe 16/32/48 enemies). You only need to kill 8/16/24 enemies total, in pairs (4/8/12 pairs). There are only 20 enemies of each type, so the third goal as stated in-game wouldn't even be possible. The timing is pretty strict, by the way, they have to die within 2-3 seconds of each other to count as a pair.

[Slycer]

The few people that did Goldwing - does it still use nepanthean hum/noisome powder or does it just use spiral burst/searing effulgence?

[NynJa]

Just killed goldwing

THF/DNC as the only dd, embrava/haste/haste samba, also boost-str(24), barwater(176) and regen5. Died in like 5 minutes, was amnesia'ed half the time and absolutely zero threat of dying myself. Most damaging thing it did was waterga4 for 850 or so damage.

Just to give another perspective on the fight.

Hints to it using hum


The answer is probably no, but I'll ask anyways. If someone has access to researcher 4 (Bonus to spoils), I bring a mule in on a second grimoire (whos never done researcher 1-3), and clear it, can that mule enter researcher 4, or do they need to have cleared 1-3?

[Slycer]

Should be able to enter once cleared on a grimoire in your possession, I don't see why it would matter whether you finished the previous missions or not. In case you hadn't noticed, there are other ways to unlock missions too. When you clear an expedition higher than #1, it unlocks that number expedition in adjacent ranks also. For example, if you clear Assistant #2, it unlocks access to Adjunct #2 and Instructor #2 whether or not you've already cleared Adjunct #1 or Instructor #1. So clearing previous missions definitely isn't a requirement for being able to access higher ones.

Anyone have any ideas as to what "bonus to spoils" might do? I'm thinking it either unlocks an additional drop slot, or unlocks an additional possible drop that can't otherwise drop (maybe those body pieces which haven't all been located yet).

[NynJa]

In case you hadn't noticed, there are other ways to unlock missions too. When you clear an expedition higher than #1, it unlocks that number expedition in adjacent ranks also. For example, if you clear Assistant #2, it unlocks access to Adjunct #2 and Instructor #2 whether or not you've already cleared Adjunct #1 or Instructor #1. So clearing previous missions definitely isn't a requirement for being able to access higher ones.

I did not notice this!

Uhhh......you sure about that?




I just bought a second grimoire, I'm gonna see if I can sneak through into Adjunct 2 with it and what happens.

[Kenrusai]

I don't really understand how people are making use of a second grimoire, so the bonuses do transfer between grimoires..?
Not started Meebles yet and most likely wont until the fix, but I've read what the wiki provides so I have a little understanding..but yeah

[NynJa]

I think I found a purpose for those second grimoires


Now to test out if you need to actually clear 1-4 to have access to 5...which you do. So a second book is only good for buff farming. And SE plans to introduce 5 books?


I think the best thing to do is clear each section 1-2-3-4 on your main book while trying to farm NM's, clear #4 on your other book a second time so it has clearance to all the fights (granted the only ones with good buffs are #4's), and then do 1-5 every 5 days

(Note: for level 5 expeditions, since all grimoires are consumed, all boons from each player's grimoire will be given to every player in the party).

Is this confirmed or speculated? If I sent 3 characters in to AR4(TH) and 3 characters to R5 (bonus to spoils), all 6 characters fighting a boss would have both boon's?

[Kenrusai]

a second book for buff farming only makes sense if buff grimoire's buffs carry over to your main grimoire when you enter a boss fight on your main grimoire, from what I understand, it doesn't

[Slycer]

All buffs going in is confirmed based on the dialog entries from the galka NPCs. Whether that carries over to what actually happens is a different story.

The only way I can see using two grimoires effectively is using one for buff farming and the other for boss access, as those above have said. The idea would essentially be to unlock access to all expeditions on one grimoire, so that you can farm buffs from whichever run you feel like (or at least unlock Researcher #4 for bonus to spoils). Then, for the run where you are actually farming the buff, only the run leader needs to use the buff grimoire. So the run leader, using his buff grimoire (let's say its Avidity) will enter the rest of the group all using their Diligence Grimoires. Then, everyone but the run leader will have "bonus to spoils" on their Diligence Grimoire. Finally, once the whole group has completed all four expeditions within a rank, they can enter with their Diligence Grimoires, and all of them, even the one who led the buff farming run, will obtain the "bonus to spoils" buff.

Basically, once you unlock the expeditions on the alternate grimoire, it would only take one extra expedition per boss series to unlock "bonus to spoils." I said the same thing several pages ago in not so many words, maybe this is clearer.

[Kenrusai]

ah that makes sense

[Slycer]

I did not notice this!

Uhhh......you sure about that?




I just bought a second grimoire, I'm gonna see if I can sneak through into Adjunct 2 with it and what happens.

Once you complete Adjunct 2 it will unlock Assistant 2. Completing Adjunct 1 alone (the SS you posted) doesn't unlock any additional expeditions aside from Adjunct 2. Completing Adjunct 2 should unlock Adjunct 3 and Assistant 2.

In that second grimoire that you snuck into Adjunct 2 and got the clear - check what you have access to in the Assistant rank. I bet you have Assistant 2 access also.

If all this was true, it would effectively mean you only need to clear eight expeditions to have access to all 20 of the non-boss expeditions (all eight of assistant & associate, adjunct & associate, or assistant & researcher)

[Delain]

The few people that did Goldwing - does it still use nepanthean hum/noisome powder or does it just use spiral burst/searing effulgence?

I am trying to remember how the fight went, but it was really fast. I was spamming Ukko the entire fight, every time I had 100 tp. That being the case, he must not have used amnesia on that fight for us, nor do I remember ever seeing attack down so he didnt do Hum on us either. I know he was a big fan of Spiral Burst on our fight and it was very painful at times. We likely just got really lucky. Dont care though, dont have a reason to fight him again now, so I am happy with being lucky.

[Kenrusai]

From what I gather, each of the bosses drop a KI. Gathering all KI are required for the "Mega" Boss (and are more than likely consumed after you enter the Megabosses chamber) so if you wanted to farm him, you probably will require Goldwing again.