Salvage II - Slavage Harder

[Sechs]

Uhm didn't think about matching weather and enspell. I don't always get a chance to Accession Weather because of lack of stratagems, maybe I should be accessioning/perpetuance less stuff and casting more single target stuff.
When I do cast a weather it's usually Fire because of the STR+15 bonus it brings.
Good idea though I guess, thanks.

Suggestion for the HQ Hydra? First time we did Zhayolm, first time we got to it and it kinda raped us.
We were in a rush because we lost too much time on the NQ one (due to several mistakes, mostly my fault) and I reckon we weren't really "ready" (phalanx wasn't up, one DD was lacking Protect 5) but Embrava and TabulaRegen5 were up, yet the Hydra kinda raped us.
Lots of crit hits plus I think... triple attacks? Bad luck with crits & TAs kinda raped the HP of the Taru Warrior first and then the BLU who died on the floor before and didn't have full buffs.
As far as I know DDs weren't using PDT, Warrior was in Seigan but I'm afraid he had Berserk up even if he doesn't admit it.

As much as physical shield can fuck you up, damage done didn't seem a big issue (we did over 25% in a few seconds), but rather damage taken. Would using Defender be such a bad idea? I'd rather have the fight last a bit longer but have less chances of DDs being raped by TAs rather than trying my luck with a zerg-like thing.


Also another question on the Hydras shields. If they use Magical shield and already have some debuffs on them, what happens? Do they get dispelled or do they continue being active?
I assume that debuffs keep working while dots just proc 0 damage ticks? (helix, kaustra, dia etc)

[Sechs]

Tried again 2 more times and killed it easily both times.
Focused a bit more on defense and no real issue. Altough I found it a bit problematic to make good use of Dark Arts because I was constantly using -na spells, re-applying buffs, healing and the such.
Now it's true I suck at SCH, but it was a really frantic fight. Fun!
Guess the first time we just rushed and that's why it pwned us.


This makes me wonder, how do people sort out zones in order of difficulty from the most difficult to the easiest?
And what about the bosses? From hardest to easiest? I heard Khimaira is considered the easiest?

[Cream Soda]

Ritualistic plans fully farmable (Kill all mobs/nms that can drop them) doable by mnk + whm and if so which of the two should sub thf.

Finally time to stop putting this off and getting back into salvage. Delve wep mnk if that matters for the question

[Fake]

Whm/thf + Mnk/nin if you don't want to roll the dice on cerb with CS.

[Kidnoftle]

I'd mnk/thf over whm/thf for cerb, but idk. You should be fine regardless, always bring vile(+1) though just in case you get a shitty spammy cerb or 1f dahak drains you mp.

[Sechs]

So did our first Bhaflau 2 run. First floor is nasty! We got 2 suppor job (as usual...) and one ja and one magic, was really nasty.
We got to NQ Cerby with way too much free time, which in the end proved not to be enough because we wiped.
Setup was dull: BLU/THF, MNK/WAR and WHM.
BLU's magic spells and our CDC>Vsmite light didn't prove to be enough damage.
In the end we wiped and I tried again, after a while we got annoyed and I used 60seconds Hundred Fists and 3,5 mins Formless strikes (5/5) and killed, but at that point we didn't have enough time left for HQ.

Some tip/suggestion? Would requiescat spam work? It counts as magic damage in theory? I'm almost tempted to go PUP with mage doll next time...
WHM wasn't helping with nukes btw, didn't have MP to spare.

[Obsidian]

Beat it down to ~40% and then Formless Strikes until its dead. I've only ever gone MNK/WAR and WHM, never had problems killing either of them that way. It's probably easier to leave one of the DDs off it, lest you drain your WHM. NQ only takes me 4-5 minutes. HQ even less because I Hundred Fists it.

I'm pretty sure its damage resistance doesn't reset if you wipe, so if you wiped while dealing junk physical damage you may want to restart with Formless Strikes.

[Sechs]

I'm pretty sure its damage resistance doesn't reset if you wipe

It doesn't. At start I was dealing 30ish physical damage per fist.
At which point I just gave up and used Formless+Hundred.

So you basically kill NQ, wait for Formless timers to come up again and then go to HQ with formless+HF.
<I see.>
We'll try that next time, leaving the Blu at range casting spells maybe, instead of meleeing.

[TacoTaru]

Looking to start SSR2 soon. Would THF/SAM/WHM be fine or would something like SAM/BRD/WHM be better?

[solkanar]

Looking to start SSR2 soon. Would THF/SAM/WHM be fine or would something like SAM/BRD/WHM be better?

Personally I've been doing SSR2 lately SAM/WHM/RDM with what I have available, but really as long as your SAM has a fair MDT set and WHM is quick on Sacrifice > Cure the 3rd's job should just be a matter of your preference.

[Fake]

Looking to start SSR2 soon. Would THF/SAM/WHM be fine or would something like SAM/BRD/WHM be better?

The latter setup is obviously always going to be better and kill faster, if you can do it comfortably with the former then do that since you will get more drops and have to less runs in total.

[noodles355]

Is Dvergr and Bloodthirsty Dweorg easy enough to pop and kill in SSR2 3 box Thf Whm Brd? Unless it's a much slower zone, I'm not worried about killspeed. I clear All NMs + NQ + HQ Khim in AR2 all the time on Thf/Nin Whm/Sch Brd/Whm. Same with Cerbs in BR2 replacing Brd mule with Blm mule. But got a few questions about survivability:

Does he have any regain?
Does cackle wipe shadows?
Does Shriek wipe shadows? What's it's range?
Would switching to MDT (Capped + Engulfer/Shadow) + Cureskin be enough during terror if he decided to go shriek > nuke? I'm assuming he wont ever go Cackle > Shriek > Nuke so I shouldn't be caught with mdef down AND terror.
Are his single targets any elements and just his aga/ams are fire based? (So barfira the way to go?)

Need to get Idi's Ledelsens and I'm guessing Dvrgrs would be easier than Hydras...

[Lah]

I've only done it a few times but he's horrible. With Utsu and his melee attacks missing I think you should be fine to try it without too much worrying about how it is, and see what you think you need to change from there. -Gas were rare for me too, mostly single target nukes.

Wiki also lists Idi's feet as Cerb and Hydra, which I'm certain it is.

[Sechs]

Idi's drop from Cerb for sure, we got plenty from him.
Also Dvergr easier than Hydra? Uh... I don't really know.
Hydra can hit hard, VERY hard, but as long as you don't abuse stuff that kills your defense, I've never had troubles. I mean I've been healing 2 DDs just fine on Hydra, and you know how much I suck on mage jobs. This tells something about how "hard" it is.

Dvergr is more dangerous imho. Annoying TP moves, very very fast spellcasting and was killing my shadows fast enough just with melee swings.
I dunno if it's a matter of preference or setups and I have no clue how things change when you tribox compared to playin with real players, but personally Dvergr is definitely the boss I hate most of the whole pack.

About the spells I think he uses different elements for single spells, but only fire for -ga?

[noodles355]

Sorry, meant Idi's Trousers, not Ledelsens. Already have Skadi Feet+1.

Yeah but Sechs, you're a Mnk. I'll be on Thf. Including the Evasion on Aphotic I'm sat at 544 Evasion in TP gear. If I switch to hybrid I'm at 622. Not to mention marches/haste and elegy/slow.

I'm more worried about if he spams anything? Or if he TPs as rarely as the Cerbs/Khims, because they're a joke.

Is Firaga his only aoe nuke? If so I'll just use fire satchet and barfira. If it's as fast casting as wiki says I wont have time to switch to mdt.

[Obsidian]

Idi's drop from Cerb for sure, we got plenty from him.
Also Dvergr easier than Hydra? Uh... I don't really know.
Hydra can hit hard, VERY hard, but as long as you don't abuse stuff that kills your defense, I've never had troubles. I mean I've been healing 2 DDs just fine on Hydra, and you know how much I suck on mage jobs. This tells something about how "hard" it is.

Dvergr is more dangerous imho. Annoying TP moves, very very fast spellcasting and was killing my shadows fast enough just with melee swings.
I dunno if it's a matter of preference or setups and I have no clue how things change when you tribox compared to playin with real players, but personally Dvergr is definitely the boss I hate most of the whole pack.

About the spells I think he uses different elements for single spells, but only fire for -ga?

MNK can drop the Dvergr down to ~30% with Hundred Fists. It's the second easiest boss next to Khim.

Put MDT on after Shriek because it'll almost always cast something. Sacrifice yourself after every Shriek. You can anticipate when spells are going to come just because it casts frequently, so either TP in an MDT hybrid set or just switch into it whenever your HP isn't high.

[Sechs]

Yeah but Sechs, you're a Mnk.

I only switched to MNK for our last kills (and yes, we all agreed it's much more relaxing when I'm on MNK) but all our previous kills have been on different setups. I used to be the main healer on SCH (yes... me healing other people, do you see the madness of this?!)

WAR/SAM + BLU/THF => didn't go too well
WAR/NIN + BLU/THF => Better, but lots of heart-pounding moments, especially when someone gets para/cursed while you're midcasting a spell. WAR was constantly whining about the difficulty of keeping shadows up.
SAM/NIN + THF => SAM worked nice because of Hamanoha and Warding Circle, but he doesn't have an MDT set and that didn't help. Still lots of heart-pounds!
MNK/NIN + THF (rdm healer) => overall no problem at all

In all of these setups the second DD was just moving in to apply TH or to cast some spells/WS etc, not constantly TPing on it of course.
Considering you have pretty awesome gear, I'm sure you could evade its melee swings up to the point that keeping shadows up shouldn't be as much of an hassle as it was for our WAR and, arguably, for me on MNK.
You'd still get shadows wiped by lots of TP moves though.

I'm more worried about if he spams anything?

Dunno if he spams more/less than the others as that's pretty subjective and you'd need tpmove/seconds to talk about objective data, but he gets much spammier under a certain HP% (I guess regain?). I think he's more spammy than Hydra/Cerb but it might just be my bias because I hate Dvergr >_>
I assume THF is also going to feed quite a lot of TP considering the typical swing delay and subtle blow THFs have.

Only saw him use Fire -ga, that I can remember, but I think I saw him use different elements for single target spells.

From my personal and bias-ed experience the most dangerous situation is when he uses Necrobane (strong curse+Para) and then one of his uberlyfastcast spells right after.

[noodles355]

I only switched to MNK for our last kills

I meant you're a Mnk, not a Thf. You don't have 60 base evasion in traits, A+ evasion skill and 109 base AGI before gear, so obviously you're gonna have a harder time keeping up shadows lol

Dunno if he spams more/less than the others as that's pretty subjective and you'd need tpmove/seconds to talk about objective data, but he gets much spammier under a certain HP% (I guess regain?). I think he's more spammy than Hydra/Cerb but it might just be my bias because I hate Dvergr >_>
I assume THF is also going to feed quite a lot of TP considering the typical swing delay and subtle blow THFs have.

As a comparison, both Khrysokhimaira Elder and NQ Khimaira use about 3-4 TP moves over the course of their fight (both about 3min).

I have 42 Subtle Blow with Auspice in TP gear. I have no idea what the bosses AGI are, but it can't be that high, and I have 129AGI in TP gear.

Does he actually gain some form of regain? Or is it just the standard mechanic of mobs auto-using TP moves as soon as they hit 100%TP when under 25%?

[Sechs]

Or is it just the standard mechanic of mobs auto-using TP moves as soon as they hit 100%TP when under 25%?

Tbh I think it's just this one.

[Lah]

Oh yeah and if your WHM can be RDM it's a lot better with Para/Slow 2. He doesn't really spam but it is my least favorite fight still.