2013 America (and Friends!) Gun Violence Thread No Plows Allowed!

**Xno Kappa** · 2013-01-07 20:19

Whether the burglar deserved to be shot is irrelevant. The actus reus is on the intruder, the woman is completely justified in her actions.

**Niiro** · 2013-01-07 20:23

Originally Posted by Plow

and I'm just saying that this is a bad example for you to use, because, as mentioned, it's a mother defending her children

it's simply nature, you don't threaten a mother and her children and expect anything less than the threat of death in response

When did he deliberately threaten them? He didn't know they were there.

Idk how many times I have to say that her actions were justified and completely understandable, the outcome was merely unfortunate given the circumstances.

Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza

Whether the burglar deserved to be shot is irrelevant. The actus reus is on the intruder, the woman is completely justified in her actions.

How is it irrelevant?

Based on the actus reus he committed burglary. We don't kill people for that. If you wanted to argue anything further you need to prove mens rea.

And again with people acting like I said the woman wasn't justified, christ, not what I said and not the point.

**Qalbert** · 2013-01-07 20:31

Originally Posted by Niiro

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Shooting an intruder in your house is not a form of punishment.

**quannum** · 2013-01-07 20:37

he burgled her house
she burgled his life

problem?

**Xno Kappa** · 2013-01-07 20:38

What the hell exactly are you arguing about then? That the woman was too mean? That she should've begged the burglar to go away in hopes that would work? That she shouldn't have been in her house lol?

Whether the burglar deserved to be shot is irrelevant because the woman was justified in her response. I can't make it any clearer lol.

**Niiro** · 2013-01-07 20:40

Originally Posted by Qalbert

Shooting an intruder in your house is not a form of punishment.

In the technical sense that's correct, it's self-defense, but the result is still the same.

More importantly self defense can't be carried out by a house with no one in it, as such the circumstances are relevant when considering the events that transpired.

Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza

Whether the burglar deserved to be shot is irrelevant because the woman was justified in her response. I can't make it any clearer lol.

Can you understand that based on the burglars actions and apparent intent he did not deserve to die for what he did?

Try looking past your own nose and not jerking your knee too hard.

The woman was justified in her actions, the man didn't deserve to be shot almost to death. These concepts are not contradictory under the law and not hard to comprehend.

**Qalbert** · 2013-01-07 20:40

Hey so when the policeman tried to get the drunk driver to pull over and the drunk wrecked and died that's not cool, the punishment didn't fit the crime.

**Xno Kappa** · 2013-01-07 21:10

Originally Posted by Niiro

The woman was justified in her actions, the man didn't deserve to be shot almost to death. These concepts are not contradictory under the law and not hard to comprehend.

Except in this instance it is.

Pro-tip: The woman isn't going to be brought up on attempted murder charges anytime soon. To insist the man didn't deserve to be shot is to infer the woman has done something criminal, she hasn't. You can argue all you want, the court of law clearly does not give a fuck whether or not he was shot in the face.

Now if you wanna argue that you feel sorry for him and so should we, then by all means just come out and say it.

**Nephlite** · 2013-01-07 21:31

Originally Posted by Niiro

Can you understand that based on the burglars actions and apparent intent he did not deserve to die for what he did?

Try looking past your own nose and not jerking your knee too hard.

The woman was justified in her actions, the man didn't deserve to be shot almost to death. These concepts are not contradictory under the law and not hard to comprehend.

Don't shoot to wound. You shoot to kill.

Besides, we have no idea what was going through that woman's mind and the very vague collection of the "story" doesn't give us any details as to what happened. Can't say the dude didn't threaten them or anything because we don't know. Something must have sparked her to shoot the guy like she did. If he opened the door and came face to face with a gun, how come he didn't run? Did she open fire immediately when he opened it (ambush style) or did he do something to set her off like raise the crowbar he had or yell at her? Did she warn him? Too many questions, not enough of the facts of the story to answer.

**kuronosan** · 2013-01-07 21:43

Originally Posted by Niiro

When did he deliberately threaten them? He didn't know they were there.

"Hey, I'm sorry I broke down your door and I have a crowbar but none of this would have happened if you hadn't been home".

Seriously. Come on.

**Niiro** · 2013-01-07 21:51

Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza

To insist the man didn't deserve to be shot is to infer the woman has done something criminal, she hasn't.

No, it's not.

The law recognizes a person's right to defend themselves if they feel threatened, it also recognizes circumstance and human fallibility.

The law says you have the right to use lethal force in the name of self defense on an intruder in your own home. Outside of suspicious circumstances this is not generally scrutinized as it is unreasonable to expect people to survey the situation and determine and carry out only the reasonable force necessary to defend themselves, that is a highly unreasonable expectation and the law recognizes that. As such, the use of lethal force against an intruder when it is not necessary for self defense is not criminal.

**Qalbert** · 2013-01-07 22:02

what the shitballs are you even trying to argue anymore.

**chazzyphizzle** · 2013-01-07 22:11

not gonna lie when i read she shot him in the closet, i immediately thought of burn after reading

**Niiro** · 2013-01-07 22:16

Originally Posted by Qalbert

what the shitballs are you even trying to argue anymore.

It's one thing to say that the woman's actions were understandably justified given the situation, it's another to say that the burglar deserved to be shot or killed

^ For the third time.

People see lethal force used in the name of self defense and a criminal act and often too readily pass judgement on the situation without sufficiently analyzing it.

**Jaybar** · 2013-01-07 22:21

Wonder how traumatic it was for the kids to see a man with five bullet wounds in his face. Bet they grow up to be sociopaths.

**Jer** · 2013-01-07 22:28

Originally Posted by Jaybar

Bet they grow up to be sociopaths.

At least they probably won't be burglars. And they'll go to bed when their mother tells them it's time for fucking bed.

**JigglyJam** · 2013-01-07 22:34

Burglar did deserve it. Dumb-ass didn't case the joint well enough.

**ronin sparthos** · 2013-01-07 22:35

Originally Posted by Niiro

People see lethal force used in the name of self defense and a criminal act and often too readily pass judgement on the situation without sufficiently analyzing it.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ps0b8d09d0.gif

The burglar knew the risks of breaking into a house the same way I know the risks of walking into traffic.

**Niiro** · 2013-01-07 22:40

Yes, it's always easier to change the issue than it is to think about it.

**kuronosan** · 2013-01-07 22:44

Originally Posted by Niiro

Yes, it's always easier to change the issue than it is to think about it.

What the fuck? How hard is this to understand? Don't want to get shot? Don't break into someone's fucking house. It's not rocket science.

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