High School football team's "Rape Crew" exposed by Anonymous.

[quannum]

what? i didnt know the aoc in conn. was 16. Hence if its 18, why would they charge the 17 yr old.

[Ksandra]

what? i didnt know the aoc in conn. was 16.

There isn't a single state in the US that has it under 16.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-21_jyYvyZx...oreyouknow.jpg

[quannum]

guess thats what i get for trying to explain something to ksan

[arus2001]

That's actually exactly why it's good to teach them. You think these kids watch the news to see other kids get arrested for cyberbullying? They see all their friends doing it and few are being taught (by parents) what they should and shouldn't be doing on the internet. Shouldn't schools be more than just getting kids ready for college? Of course it's not going to get rid of cyberbullying 100%. That doesn't mean you don't make the effort.

I'm saying you can't have one side trying (schools/parents), while the other doesn't give a shit (internet). Be an antagonistic fuckwit on an MMO's OF? Don't just ban them from the forum, but the game and carry those same rules of conduct within the public chats, as well. It may sound harsh, but without the parent/school looming over the kid's shoulder every moment they're on the net, they'll be tempted if actions don't have consequences. I know, srs bznss, blah blah, but kids aren't just gonna play nice because you ask them to.

[Ksandra]

How do you think you change that internet culture though? By teaching kids that's not the right way to be. Of course some will still do it. Some won't, and some may do it less.

The big thing is that they see no one telling them not to. Even the good kids have zero reason to not do it.

[arus2001]

Well, I'm more of the mind it's up to the people setting up all the little sandboxes. By the time parents/schools find out anything, damage has been done. It's not like "play nice" and "share" isn't already in a lot of youthful upbringing concepts. Sure, maybe "don't post n00dz on the net" should be added to the "don't take candy from strangers" list, but you can't exactly make that a year long course of its own, let alone a quarter.

[Tarage]

Teaching how to the internet requires people who know how to the internet being teachers. And there are a hell of a lot of teachers who don't know how to the internet. I mean hell, I installed remote desktop software on my high school's library computers so I could fuck with people. You'd be surprised how funny it is to see people freak out when their mouse starts moving without them.

And hell, my college was a technical college, were every classroom had at least 30 computers in it, and our IT department couldn't figure out how to throttle minecraft for years.

[Ksandra]

list, but you can't exactly make that a year long course of its own, let alone a quarter.

Ettiquette and life skills classes used to be year round. What has changed? I mean, it could alternate. A lot of kids who fall victim to the "freshman 15" is because when they hit college they knew dick about nutrition or how to cook. Fuck, I'm living proof of that. I ordered out so much unhealthy food. How many kids-now-adults have the presence of mind to fix their own household items (ex. plumbers) instead of hiring someone? I really didn't go into detail about those as, obviously, they have absolute dick to do with the topic at hand. I just don't want you to think I meant to just limit it to the internet.

Teaching how to the internet requires people who know how to the internet being teachers. And there are a hell of a lot of teachers who don't know how to the internet.

While I 100% agree with you, keep in mind it's not like every teacher in the school would be teaching it. I mean, my hs had only 1 health education teacher (school of about 1600 students), and I've learned as an adult that guy was fucking awesome and I learned a lot more valuable information than most in regards to safe sex.

[archibaldcrane]

Again we're talking about internet etiquette in a thread about a couple dudes RAPING a girl.

Unbelievably petty.

[Ksandra]

Considering those internet people are now threatening to kill her on twitter to the point she probably has to leave the few friends she has even after dealing with the ordeal of being raped, than ya sure that's totally petty.


[edit] I can't even fucking imagine having to deal with being raped as a 13 year old.

I also can't even fucking imagine having to deal with being raped as a 13 year old then told by all my peers I should die and it's all my fault.

[archibaldcrane]

Pretty sure the 13 year old was just statutory. In her mind she "had sex".

[arus2001]

General life skills and our schools fucking around cutting shit is probably its own can of worms. Hell, I went to a private school and we didn't have a shop class. As one might surmise, I've got no real skill with a hammer even though the concept of measuring and all that isn't lost to me with my artistic background. Ask me to do anything with my car beyond check fluids and change the oil or tires and I'd probably freeze up, too. To some degree, sure, we're a victim of tech both making lives easier and taking jobs that used to be manual. I also had a lazy shit old man who never taught me anything and certainly took no interest in what I did. Probably a miracle I'm not some kind of heartless internet prick by now, even though I can channel it to fight trolls.

Anyway, more pertinent to the case, from the local big news network:

By NEWS9 and The Associated Press

JEFFERSON COUNTY, Ohio —


The chief justice of the Ohio Supreme Court has appointed a special judge to oversee the work of a grand jury investigating possible new charges related to the rape of a 16-year-old girl last summer in Jefferson County.

Thursday's appointment follows a request by Jefferson County judge Joseph Bruzzese for an outside judge because of ongoing local controversy about an alleged cover-up of the initial rape report.

PREVIOUS NEWS9 COVERAGE: Local judge asks Ohio Supreme Court to appoint visiting judge for Steubenville rape case grand jury


Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine officially announced his request for a grand jury on Sunday, within minutes of the verdict that found Trent Mays and Ma'lik Richmond delinquent in the August rape of a teen girl.

Bruzzese said "nameless bloggers" who made unproven allegations of a cover-up have a strong following that makes appointing a judge from outside Steubenville necessary.

Chief Justice Maureen O'Connor responded by appointing retired Summit County Judge Patricia Ann Cosgrove to handle the grand jury, which meets in April.

WEB EXTRA: Judge Joseph Bruzzese Jr.'s letter to the Supreme Court of Ohio (March 14, 2013)

Even with the main case over, well, it's still not over. :/

[Ksandra]

Pretty sure the 13 year old was just statutory. In her mind she "had sex".

...so the bullying is ok then?

[archibaldcrane]

...so the bullying is ok then?

The problem isn't the social network aspect of it.

It's that it's being communicated at all.

[Ksandra]

The problem isn't the social network aspect of it.

It's that it's being communicated at all.

of course that is the issue. But social networking is an easy outlet for it, and guess what? No one is teaching these kids that is also a serious form of bullying.

Maybe it's 'cause I work with kids this age all the time, but I can tell you point blank that no matter how "mature" you think 13 year olds are, they have zero concept of that kind of thing. They think it's ok because everyone else is doing it, and no one is telling them not to.

I guarantee that while some may still have done it to her face, many wouldn't have had the courage, and then that communication would be much less.

[Deadgye]

Ettiquette and life skills classes used to be year round. What has changed? I mean, it could alternate. A lot of kids who fall victim to the "freshman 15" is because when they hit college they knew dick about nutrition or how to cook.

That's definitely not the reason it occurred to every single person I know. Had more to do with crappy options, lack of exercise, and crappy options.

[Ksandra]

That's definitely not the reason it occurred to every single person I know. Had more to do with crappy options, lack of exercise, and crappy options.

It's irrelevant to the topic so don't want to go into too far detail. But I would say nutrition falls under the bubble of making healthy choices. Most dorm-schools (if not all) have a gym.

[edit] and yes, options can be crappy. It's not nearly hard to eat healthy at college though.

[Deadgye]

It's irrelevant to the topic so don't want to go into too far detail. But I would say nutrition falls under the bubble of making healthy choices. Most dorm-schools (if not all) have a gym.

[edit] and yes, options can be crappy. It's not nearly hard to eat healthy at college though.

You could technically eat healthy on my campus, but you'd run out of money in your meal plan before you even get 3/4ths into the semester. ~$3.50 for a fourth of a pineapple sliced up, or $1.98 for a double stack and a crispy chicken sandvich. Even if you know the nutritional difference, you're usually going to go for the latter based on price and fullness. Commuters have a much easier time still eating healthy, but it's inversely harder for them to find the time and place to exercise. That last bit is based on my experience with an hour commute and an engineering major though, so I guess a smaller commute and/or lesser major would lessen that effect.

If you could get into a suite with a kitchen it's worlds different, but you're not getting into one as a freshman.

[myreality]

Anyone following this?

http://www.politicususa.com/cnns-pop...-backlash.html

Instead of Apologizing CNN Is Outraged By the Backlash Over Their Pro-Rapist Coverage

Instead of apologizing or listening to the complaints that the network was soft on rapists due to their Steubenville rape convictions coverage, CNN is outraged and dismissive.

Today The Wrap reported:

Poppy Harlow, covering the events in Steubenville, particularly hard.

“Poppy is taking this extremely personally as a woman,” said one executive. “She’s outraged that someone would think she’d do such a thing” as slant her coverage toward rapists. “It’s gotten so out of control.”



I don’t believe that Poppy Harlow, Candy Crowley, or CNN deliberately set about to apologize for rapists or minimize rape. But they did. The fact that they are so unaware of why this is a problem is exactly why they need to apologize.

The problem here is that Harlow and CNN don’t understand why people are complaining. Harlow is outraged and CNN has brushed it off as not necessarily valid according to The Wrap, “CNN had no official comment, except to note privately that viral petitions sometimes have a life of their own and start ‘feeding on itself’ whether or not the issue is valid.”

The issue is very simple and very valid. We live in a “rape culture”. That is a culture where rape is excused and blown off, and the victim is silenced and/or smeared. Rape is excused and tolerated via the sometimes well meaning complicity of people who don’t know any better. That culture is being challenged by the very same social media that was used to broadcast the humiliating abuse of the victim. Guess which side won in the court of mainstream public opinion? Hint: It wasn’t the perpetrators.

And so CNN’s coverage was disturbing, as it fed the rape culture. Reporter Poppy Harlow stood outside the courtroom visibly distressed and lamented on air to Candy Crowley, “I’ve never experienced anything like it, Candy. It’s incredibly emotional, even for an outsider like me. These two young men, with promising futures, star football players, A students, literally watched as their lives fell apart.” No mention of how the victim’s life was torn apart and is forever tainted due to the video and pictures the rapists and their posse posted online. Candy Crowley didn’t help matters when she, too, failed to mention the victim.

The Wrap acknowledged:
Rather than balancing Harlow’s report, anchor Candy Crowley asked an expert about the rape conviction’s “lasting effect on two young men.” As critics pointed out, Crowley did not spare a word for the unnamed and unseen victim or the lasting effect on her.
Indeed, Crowley may regret qualifying the crime as “essentially rape.”

In response, Change.org started a petition asking for an apology with 264,417 supporters as of this writing, but a CNN writer for The Wrap thinks most of the outrage is coming from the “far end of the political spectrum” (ask Todd Akin about that).

Times are changing and it is no longer acceptable to lament the “poor boys” whose lives are “ruined” without at least also noting that they earned this destruction through their choice to attack their victim. They made a choice to rape this girl. They were gloating about it by all accounts.

While we can’t know how this specific rape victim is doing, rape victims in general suffer from the same kind of PTSD that returning soldiers do, including the flashbacks. They can suffer from anxiety and an inability to be intimate with a partner of their choosing. They are sometimes suicidal. This can last a lifetime.

This specific victim’s humiliation was publicly broadcast and memorialized. She has been shamed and blamed and threatened repeatedly. The media says she was drunk without noting that she was likely roofied. The media doesn’t mention that the “promising” young men who raped her were also drunk. “Essentially rape” is the same as “legitimate rape” or the old “real rape”. Rape is rape, and rape is a crime against the freedom and liberty of another person.

Imagine if the media reported on a murder conviction by lamenting the lost chances of the perpetrator, never mentioning the victim. Imagine if in reporting on the Jerry Sandusky trial they lamented his lost promise and never mentioned the children he harmed. Yes, it’s outrageous.

Rape is an outrageously prevalent crime. Every two minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted. 44% of them are under the age of 18 and 80% are under the age of 30. A whopping 97% of rapists will never spend a day in jail, and 54% of rapes are not even reported to police.

The victims, both male and female, deserve to be treated like the crime victims they are, and not the “accuser” (thanks, Republicans) bringing down some fabulous man’s life. Remember when so many were cheering for Jerry Sandusky? This is the same thing. This very attitude is what keeps victims from reporting the crime in the first place. However, the fault for the patriarchal view of rape hardly originated with CNN; they are merely one of most who don’t get it yet.

Yes, CNN should apologize. They should be a leader and approach this as an opportunity instead of a PR problem that they can sniff away with condescending smugness.

As a TV producer, I see a big win here for them if they were bold enough to take it. They could do a special on the impact of rape, and interview both rape victims and people who specialize in rape treatment (RAINN is a great resource). They could shake things up by showing that it’s not just women who get raped; it’s also boys and girls and sometimes even men. They could both improve their image and get ratings by embracing the end of the rape culture. They could ask the very question they don’t seem to get — does how we talk about rapists matter?

A real apology encompasses the acknowledgement that you get it, and that starts by listening to the people who are outraged. This victim has been through enough already, and so have the millions of rape victims in this country alone. Every two minutes, we get another sexual assault victim added to the list. It’s time we change how we talk about this crime.

[archibaldcrane]

She was likely roofied?

I didn't see any supporting evidence of that, were the kids bragging about roofies?