High School football team's "Rape Crew" exposed by Anonymous.

**Ksandra** · 2013-03-22 12:15

Originally Posted by archibaldcrane

She was likely roofied?

I didn't see any supporting evidence of that, were the kids bragging about roofies?

I think from the beginning the "she was likely roofied" was mentioned all over the news. I have never heard any evidence of it though. Writer is just basing it off of rumors. I actually doubt it. sounds more like everyone was drunk, she passed out and these two dipshits thought that meant an opportunity to fuck her.

**archibaldcrane** · 2013-03-22 12:58

Anyone "assuming" she must've been roofied has never seen a 16 year old girl drink hard liquor.

**Acevalefor** · 2013-03-22 13:00

This whole rape culture idea seems to be exactly opposite of what I experienced in high school. 15 years ago, if a girl even hinted that she was assaulted, raped, or even harassed, there was a huge hubbub made about it. I even found myself being "interviewed" because a girl wrote on her binder something about being raped...I can't remember what it was anymore, but because I sat next to her in one of my classes and rode the bus home with her, I was a suspect in a rape case that never happened. It was nothing but this girl being angry (hell hath no fury) at a boy and writing mean shit on her binder about him. Mean Girls anyone?

Is this the other end of the swing now? Is everything swept under the rug today? I feel like I am missing something here or there is just a lot of media hype because of the nature of the internet and how public every incident seems to be now. Also, ignorance of reporters and/or apathy toward victims seems to be a problem now too.

**Niiro** · 2013-03-22 13:09

Were you a valuable athlete on any of the school's teams and did anyone give a shit about high school sports in your area?

If no to either then it's likely you grew up in one of the states we're not embarrassed about.

**Blubbartron** · 2013-03-22 13:13

It's worth mentioning that everything I've read about this case indicates that the girl was not penetrated with anyone's phallus - only fingers.

My current opinion based on all the information I have is that this is a case of a bunch of drunk teenagers who were messing around, it got videotaped, and the girl cried rape to cover up her mistake/shame. The death threats and further harassment of the "victim" make much more sense in that context.

**Eurell** · 2013-03-22 13:15

Originally Posted by Blubbartron

It's worth mentioning that everything I've read about this case indicates that the girl was not penetrated with anyone's phallus - only fingers.

My current opinion based on all the information I have is that this is a case of a bunch of drunk teenagers who were messing around, it got videotaped, and the girl cried rape to cover up her mistake/shame. The death threats and further harassment of the "victim" make much more sense in that context.

Which case? The one in the OP that had a video of the girl passed out while the guy joked about her being dead and him raping her?

**archibaldcrane** · 2013-03-22 13:27

Originally Posted by Blubbartron

It's worth mentioning that everything I've read about this case indicates that the girl was not penetrated with anyone's phallus - only fingers.

My current opinion based on all the information I have is that this is a case of a bunch of drunk teenagers who were messing around, it got videotaped, and the girl cried rape to cover up her mistake/shame. The death threats and further harassment of the "victim" make much more sense in that context.

No.

**Acevalefor** · 2013-03-22 13:28

Originally Posted by Niiro

Were you a valuable athlete on any of the school's teams and did anyone give a shit about high school sports in your area?

If no to either then it's likely you grew up in one of the states we're not embarrassed about.

Maybe that's it. High school sports in the Northwest are a fun distraction on friday nights at best. Nobody gives a shit, so there are no "star athletes" to protect. Even in today's workplaces in Oregon there is a far different culture than what I read about in news stories originating from the eastern half of the nation. While there will always be dickhead men in America, women seem to command a large amount of respect. I would personally much rather have women in charge of my company as well. I believe they are better leaders in many ways. I am rambling now....time to stop.

**Blubbartron** · 2013-03-22 13:33

Originally Posted by Eurell

Which case? The one in the OP that had a video of the girl passed out while the guy joked about her being dead and him raping her?

Did that video show anyone in the middle of a sexual act against an unconscious girl? To my knowledge, it didn't. Also, jokes are not facts. I, personally, have thrown the word rape around quite a lot. It's just part of my vocabulary. I've also made jokes in incredibly bad taste, but neither of these things make me a rapist.

**Blubbartron** · 2013-03-22 13:34

Originally Posted by archibaldcrane

No.

My mind only changes with evidence. If you have evidence that clearly and directly contradicts my current understanding, please do share.

**Ksandra** · 2013-03-22 13:35

Originally Posted by Blubbartron

Did that video show anyone in the middle of a sexual act against an unconscious girl? To my knowledge, it didn't. Also, jokes are not facts. I, personally, have thrown the word rape around quite a lot. It's just part of my vocabulary. I've also made jokes in incredibly bad taste, but neither of these things make me a rapist.

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**archibaldcrane** · 2013-03-22 13:41

Originally Posted by Blubbartron

My mind only changes with evidence. If you have evidence that clearly and directly contradicts my current understanding, please do share.

First of all, finger penetration is sexual assault, which is what they were charged with. Second, their DNA was found at the scene. Third, they claimed that sex happened but it was consensual.

Your "evidence based opinion" is awful. http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...-trial-679518/

**Eurell** · 2013-03-22 13:42

Originally Posted by Blubbartron

My mind only changes with evidence. If you have evidence that clearly and directly contradicts my current understanding, please do share.

And yet your opinion of them only messing around with fingers and she regretted it later is based on no evidence.

**Blubbartron** · 2013-03-22 14:01

Originally Posted by archibaldcrane

First of all, finger penetration is sexual assault, which is what they were charged with. Second, their DNA was found at the scene. Third, they claimed that sex happened but it was consensual.

Your "evidence based opinion" is awful. http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...-trial-679518/

It's assault if she was unconscious and/or did not consent to it. Being drunk does not take away someone's ability to consent to sex, it just makes them more likely to say yes. If she was somehow coerced into consenting, that would still be assault. Nothing suggests that. Being drunk, again, does not make any request for sexual activity into coercion.

The DNA was found on a blanket, but what does that prove? In a text message the guy himself says the girl jerked him off. I highly doubt the guy was sophisticated enough to send the txt to cover his ass in case he ever got charged with rape.

Where is this claim that there was sex (I'm assuming you mean intercourse, here)? This article says there was an attempt to have her perform oral sex, but apparently it didn't go anywhere.

**Blubbartron** · 2013-03-22 14:09

Originally Posted by Eurell

And yet your opinion of them only messing around with fingers and she regretted it later is based on no evidence.

Archi's article did have new information for me - I was unaware of the attempt to have her perform oral sex. Granted, it's not terribly specific about it, and that kind of matters for whether or not it's rape/assault. Shoving a dick in her mouth while she's unconscious is assault. Waving it in front of her asking her to suck it is not (given that there was testimony that she was "into" the fingering in the car earlier). Attempting to escalate without force is just a dude trying to get off, not a predator.

I'll grant you, the regretting it part is my own opinion, because it makes the most sense given the knowledge I currently have. But, hypothetically, imagine you are a teenage girl who got drunk at a party and messed around with half the football team, having people take pictures and video - do you really think shame/regret couldn't possibly play a part in this?

**archibaldcrane** · 2013-03-22 15:15

Whoever was asking about rape culture before, I hope you're fully taking in rape culture.

Girl is sexually assaulted, there are photos, videos, eyewitnesses, and DNA evidence, as well as a guilty verdict by a jury of peers, and Blubbartron is still arguing that it probably didn't happen and that the girl probably just drunkenly consentually messed around with these guys and later felt bad and claimed rape.

That is rape culture in a nutshell.

**kuronosan** · 2013-03-22 15:38

I'm so fucking confused.

**Blubbartron** · 2013-03-22 15:40

Originally Posted by archibaldcrane

Whoever was asking about rape culture before, I hope you're fully taking in rape culture.

Girl is sexually assaulted, there are photos, videos, eyewitnesses, and DNA evidence, as well as a guilty verdict by a jury of peers, and Blubbartron is still arguing that it probably didn't happen and that the girl probably just drunkenly consentually messed around with these guys and later felt bad and claimed rape.

That is rape culture in a nutshell.

Where are the photos of the *actual* rape? Where are the videos of the *actual* rape? The DNA evidence indicates the male ejaculated, but that is not evidence of rape (I wouldn't even call it circumstantial evidence - this wasn't DNA from a rape kit). Being found guilty is also *not* evidence that someone is actually guilty (the justice system is complete bullshit - we all know that).

The article you posted earlier says plainly the prosecution relied almost entirely on TXTs as evidence. TXTs from drunk teenagers. If using the word rape in idle banter makes you a rapist, then half the people that play FPS games are rapists.

Also, if you think I'm an example of rape culture, then you're sorely mistaken. I'm an example of a person who has been wrongly accused and convicted of crimes based on hearsay and allegations. Perhaps you'll understand the importance of "innocent until proven guilty" if it ever happens to you.

**Eurell** · 2013-03-22 15:42

Originally Posted by Blubbartron

Perhaps you'll understand the importance of "innocent until proven guilty" if it ever happens to you.

But they were fucking proven guilty lol. And you are still here denying it.

What do you want? we need to see a video of them raping this girl before you believe it?

**archibaldcrane** · 2013-03-22 15:43

They were proven guilty you fucking rapist-sympathizing moron. You ARE rape culture.

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