Geomancers: Wielders of Nature's Force (03/21/2013)

[Yugl]

Wasn't that more because they wanted to drive out Windurst than any love for working with San d'Oria? Also, uniting with Children of Altana to kill other Children of Altana doesn't scream "peace-loving" at me, which was the example I was going for with the Yagudo who live freely amongst the Far Easterners.

No. San D'Oria (Technically Elvaan since Sandy didn't exist then) had issues with Windy. The Elvaans just conveniently found an ally. Given they had no reason to interfere and were essentially freeing Elvaans (See Age of Magic into Age of Power), their action was benevolent. In fact, they intended to maintain relations for several decades after, but a coup occurred and Vo Dho destroyed Du Dha's epitaphs to begin imperialism. So Sandy (Elvaans) was the main benefactor and relations were torn through domestic upheaval instead of blatant "fuck thou" methods.

[Uzor]

Indeed. Du Dha even attended the San d'Orian king's funeral. He was unique in many ways (as seen by the link I posted) in that he first and foremost sought peace, and even shed his shell whereas most Quadav keep their shells for their entire lives.

[Foldypaws]

I think really all it shows is that the Beastmen are willing to work with the Five Races when their interests are in alignment. Outside of the Goblins and Qiqrins there just isn't much evidence of this situation outside a few stray NPCs or quest characters. I think we're mostly used to seeing the majority in their more united fronts which are generally the enemy in any given situation.

Aren't Meebles friendly by and large?

[Chamaan]

Moblin's and's People's are's Family's!

[Nattack]

given Gessho, the Mindartian Yagudo can be assumed to be radicals.

Theres more examples of Quadav society being okay with people, there's the cartographer Gwynham who, if I recall, the Quadav took in and let him make a map of their territory.

[Seha]

Even the englightened races have moved wars. Hell taru kicked everyone out of their homes and wanted to rule the world <_< quadavs are ok people, and yagudo are religious fanatics but don't seem actual warmongers. Orcs on the other hand came to the middle lands just to conquer.
Gigas don't know what they're doing.
Antican are real dicks.
Trolls are led by a brainwashed king.
Mamool wish people would get off their lawn.
Sahagin...I don't know actually. They fear of getting eaten by mithra?

[Nattack]

antican arent so much dicks as they are the borg.
i dont think sahagin even fall into a category, were they even in any wars? pretty sure they just want to be left alone to their fishness

[Rocl]

antican arent so much dicks as they are the borg.
i dont think sahagin even fall into a category, were they even in any wars? pretty sure they just want to be left alone to their fishness

They were coerced into the Crystal War by the Shadow Lord somehow iirc, and fucked up Bastok's Navy.

[Prothescar]

THink it was only a handful of their forces. As I recall reading somewhere, if the full force of the antican legions ever joined the war then the beastmen would have won


edit: nvm sahagin, not anticans

[Chamaan]

Sahagin were the Shadow lord's navy. They got into it a lot with Bastok, Windurst, and Norg. Mostly Bastok because the Shadow Lord told them that the oil our ships burned would ruin their waters. They really didn't want to fight, but they went all ecoterrorist and started destroying ships for the Shadow Lord for their homeland.

=EDIT=
Yeah @ Proth, that was part of the Bastok storyline. That's why we had the big gate in Korroloka Tunnel. The anticans refused to build a navy because they're bugs and couldn't swim, so keeping them on Kuzotz was one of the most important things Bastok did during the war. Their army kept soldiers stored in some kind of hibernation for war time, so they had probably thousands of soldiers just waiting to win the war for the Shadow Lord.

[Fwahm]

Is Gessho a Yagudo? He said he was a Tengu, but I was never sure if that was what Far East Yagudos call themselves, or a variant species that just looks identical to Yagudos because of developer laziness.

[Nattack]

could be a subspecies similar to moblins, but I doubt it. Probably just what the eastern yagudo's call themselves.

[Rocl]

this could be my own theorycraft which i absorbed into being true but the Tengu are to Yagudo what the Moblin are to Goblins. Except Moblins and Yagudo are the fanatics, except Near Eastern Moblins which are more like your regular Goblins. If I recall correctly, the Middle Lands Yagudo are an offshoot, which is the important thing here, and sent for reinforcements during the Crystal War (which is where you get the weird looking yagudo and shit).

Same could be said of Orcs, the Orcs are predominately a Northern species and maybe even the Elves? Actually, come to think of it, do we know anything native to the Middle Lands? I thought Humes were a migratory species too; so that means Quadav are the only native Quon inhabitants and Tarutaru in Mindartia?

[Nattack]

i thought elvaan and tarutaru were the natives, and humes just sort of rolled in later.

also on beastmen, mustnt forget Eurytos:
"Eurytos is the battle-hardened leader of a group of mercenary Gigas from the far north. At the onset of the war, the Beastman Confederate took them into their service. But recently it would seem Eurytos has completely-wetely removed himself from the confederate's chain of command. His might and prowess in battle have led many to speculate that his line is that of the Gigas gods. He is truly a force to be reckoned with. For now, his unit has established their compound-wompound somewhere in Vunkerl Inlet. Though to be fair, there is precedent for the Gigas fighting under allied banners. After all, they did fight for Bastok in the Second Battle of Konschtataru. I wonder... Could the great Eurytos possibly be rallied-wallied to our cause? "

[ronin sparthos]

It's kinda strange because it seems implied that the Tengu Shogunate (Gessho's gov't) sent those Far Eastern Yagudo to the Middle Lands to bolster the ranks of the Mindarthian Yagudo population during the Crystal War. Did they bank on splitting up the conquered territories after the war? Or did they simply do it to side with the presumed victors?

Gigas just seem derp. They aren't bright which means they find themselves on whichever side of the battlefield can convince them to smash some shit. Trolls seem to follow a similar behavior of being mercenaries but where the Gigas are hurr durr, the Trolls seem to have advanced skills with machinery, tools and siege equipment. Gotta be a bit smart to play PUP afterall.

As said before, the Antica are just your typical hivemind trope. They don't have individual thoughts and everything is to preserve and multiply their numbers.

Sahagin and Tonberry don't really seem to have aspirations beyond their territories. Fuck with their land, they fuck you but stay out of their way and they are more than happy to stay out of yours.

Lamiae are pulling the woman scorned card having been created as weapons and rebelling against their creators while teaming up with the indigenous Merrow population we can only assume the Aht Urhgan scientists based them off? Merrow just seem like absolute monsters who like killing for the lulz but then again TOAU never really delved too much into them.

[Spira]

Sounds like Geomancer's version of Proto Crystals. Wonder if there'll be some sort of ergon entity to fight for these powers.

I was thinking these Ergon Loci would be those fonts of power scattered throughout the zones where you can get like a random buff of sorts. Buff shrine pretty much

[Spira]

i think my list/scale for beastmen goes according to this. more emphasis on lore

1. Lamiae/Merrow - Hell-bent on killing enlightened races. Not exactly sentient.
2. Tonberry - Twisted Kuluu. Rancor, beyond reason.
3. Kindred - Servants of Odin. Evil.
4. Orc - Has an empire. Expansionist.
5. Yagudo - Theocratic. Views the rest as heathens.
6. Mamool Ja - Clever but used to bow to the empire.
7. Quadav - Generally peaceful but circumstantially hostile.
8. Gigas - Strong?
9. Antica - Hive mind.
10. Sahagin - Altana worshippers. Not much lore.
11. Troll - Mercenaries. Not too bright
12. Moblin - They don't disturb others. Mercenaries too.
13. Goblin - Generally neutral, traders and all.
14. Meeble -Only happen to be antisocial.
15. Qiqirn - they're almost totally friendly, in a mercenary way

also,
Poroggo - not much real lore to suggest where they would rank.

[solracht]

Merrows are chimeras too, not sure why someone called them indigenous to the reef. Megomak says they're created in Hazhalm and the Merrow NM names have numbers (like the Lamiae NMs).

I don't get the reasoning behind ranking lamiae/merrow #1 when they are actually justified in their hate for the Empire. As far as we know, destroying the Empire that enslaved them is all there's in their agenda.

1. Lamiae/Merrow - Hell-bent on killing enlightened races. Not exactly sentient.

How are they not sentient? That's the entire reason their faction starts. They break free and run off to the reef. Medusa certainly sounds sentient when she dies as she implies her sisters need her.

Don't get me wrong they are awful things but I don't see how they're worse than the Kindred, Tonberry, or Yagudo. Am I forgetting something?

[Toth]

Looking over the topic again, there is a mention of a play about 'The Siren'. Sounds like we have our next avatar.

The Legend of the Siren

Those who lost their lives in the woods,
Are greeted by the Mother,
Embraced by the soothing notes of her song,

Rocked gently to sleep in the cradle of her mercy,
They return to the land.

Her every word spoken,
Her every action taken,
Her everything given to her children of Adoulin.

MOST definitely our good ole harp playing goddess :D

[noodles355]

1nb4 2hr only summon that casts silencega