Companies downsizing hours to avoid Obama Care

[myreality]

So basically there are numerous businesses all over Arizona that are reducing all non board approved, employee's to part time employee's across the board, to avoid what they should be doing anyway. A lot of companies are going to figure out that this is a really bad idea.

So many angry people here, surprisingly a lot (around me)of them do not blame Obama Care but the employers themselves. A lot do not know what they are going to do as it is already hard to live on full time minimum wage.

Are any of you experiencing the same thing in your areas?

If so how are people reacting?

[notorious bum]

I find it hilarious as probably the majority of these companies already planned on "down-sizing" a long time ago. It's pretty nice to be able to turn a standard corporate move into a political stance. Corporate freedom of speech FTW

[Viq]

Yeah, how is this related to Obama Care? Companies have been cycling full-time temps and/or in-house contract workers for years as a way to get around having to pay for health insurance for their employees.

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[myreality]

Yeah, how is this related to Obama Care? Companies have been cycling full-time temps and/or in-house contract workers for years as a way to get around having to pay for health insurance for their employees.

It is what companies are currently blaming it on, and a huge wave of companies here are all doing it at the same time.

[Plow]

I'm not *as* bothered by this as the direct attempts to use it to affect the election. At this point it's mostly just an excuse with a little bit of a political motivation.

[myreality]

I'm not *as* bothered by this as the direct attempts to use it to affect the election. At this point it's mostly just an excuse with a little bit of a political motivation.

It's going to cost these companies more in constant training fee's than what the benefits would've cost them in the long run. Since the turn around rate is going to be high as hell for a lot of them. Obviously its conjecture at this point, we shall see by the end of the year the repercussions of their decision.

Yes, yes i know their business their rules. I understand this.

I can just see their short sighted CEO's destroying themselves in the long run, not only for this bullshit move to save a few extra dollars for this year, where it would have benefited their businesses much more to ensure their employee's health and ensure a more stable position creating more experienced employees.

[Kuya]

I think america could use more companies owned by the people who actually work in them. I don't know if they're also called cooperatives in the US.

[notorious bum]

Sounds like union socialism talk, get the hell out of here, commie!

[Ratatapa]

It is what companies are currently blaming it on, and a huge wave of companies here are all doing it at the same time.

Could be just the easy way out to fire people type of excuse?

[Callisto]

I think america could use more companies owned by the people who actually work in them. I don't know if they're also called cooperatives in the US.

They are, but it's extremely rare at this point, most co-ops were in manufacturing industries where things are generally outsourced and/or the manufacturer is owned by a larger conglomerate.

My g/f's company also pulled the THANKS, OBAMA card by saying that they had to cut hours for the people in the 20-30 range and no employees outside of store managers were allowed to be full-time, and it was impossible for them to do anything about it because of Oberma; then for a select few(my g/f included, luckily I guess since it means she has her half of the rent) they invented a new position that they were okay with being full-time.

[Waraji]

Corporations being corporations. Just as people can be dicks, and seeing as corporations are people too my friend, corporations can and will be dicks.

[myreality]

Corporations being corporations. Just as people can be dicks, and seeing as corporations are people too my friend, corporations can and will be dicks.

^ keeping this

[Kuya]

In Puerto Rico what we do is have workshops to get people informed on how to start and mantain co-ops. Of course the difference here is that co-ops also form larger organizations to promote co-ops and the government is generally favorable in offering resources to promote co-ops. It's not perfect though. Currently the government is more interested in providing incentives to create low wage private sector employment walmart style.

[kuronosan]

This is something that is prevalent nationwide and people are derping on the bandwagon. AMAGAD BECUZ OF OBERMA I GET MEH HOURS CUT

No, asshole. Because your employer wants to save a few extra dollars he's trading your hours for your health. That's more of a statement about the shitty practices of your employer, not the shitty practices of a President.

[Acevalefor]

This is something that is prevalent nationwide and people are derping on the bandwagon. AMAGAD BECUZ OF OBERMA I GET MEH HOURS CUT

No, asshole. Because your employer wants to save a few extra dollars he's trading your hours for your health. That's more of a statement about the shitty practices of your employer, not the shitty practices of a President.

And what about the massive profits and bonuses for executive level employees? I agree with you. This is nothing more than politicizing some selfish practices aimed at making the company more money. It is not about cutting hours to stay solvent because Obama forced their costs up.

[test123]

if you don't like it, find another job. If you can't find another job, kick out an illegal and take his job.

And what about the massive profits and bonuses for executive level employees? I agree with you. This is nothing more than politicizing some selfish practices aimed at making the company more money. It is not about cutting hours to stay solvent because Obama forced their costs up.

That is what competition is for. If a CEO makes alot of money doing one thing, nothing is stopping you from competing.

[kuronosan]

if you don't like it, find another job. If you can't find another job, kick out an illegal and take his job.




That is what competition is for. If a CEO makes alot of money doing one thing, nothing is stopping you from competing.

Wow I wasn't certain before but I'm now sure that you are a retard.

[Kalmado]

if you don't like it, find another job. If you can't find another job, kick out an illegal and take his job.




That is what competition is for. If a CEO makes alot of money doing one thing, nothing is stopping you from competing.

So much ignorance in one post. I'm glad I work for a small company ran by one man.

[Helm]

That's tremendously ignorant, Test. Maybe tremendously ignorant of me to assume you're not just here to troll.

[Callisto]

The whole argument is idiotic on its face because it is based on the assumption that labor consumption is based on profit margins, that 'we have to cut hours because Obamacare is taking profits from us'.

Labor consumption is based purely on demand and production. Companies do not hire people when their profits hit a certain margin so that they can 'afford' to; this is actually the exact opposite of how they operate, the most profit squeezed out of the least overhead is the goal. Companies hire when their production cannot meet the current demand and they need bodies to increase it. Ironing in all this is that the larger amount of companies cutting hours, the less expendable income is in circulation, which means less demand and revenue, so profits will universally drop outside of the sweet industries like oil/medical care that don't follow standard economic mechanics.