Companies downsizing hours to avoid Obama Care

[Plow]

You're not this retarded are you? Please tell me you're not this stupid. I mean past experiences should lead me to not even give you the benefit of the doubt, but pls don't be this stupid.

Opening the market for health insurance and making it more accessible does nothing to lower the cost of actual care. Just as you accuse someone of not paying attention to your link ( a fucking thread in reddit of all things ), you should pay attention to what others are posting. The shit that really would have made a different in lowering the COSTS OF TREATMENT AND CARE was taken out of the bill.

No only did you miss the analogy, you tried to understand the analogy when you can't even comprehend what the analogy is relating to. What in the actual fuck, bro.

this is absolutely golden

seriously, the first link I gave includes an itemized list of parts of the bill sorted by date they go into effect and linking to the house's posting of the bill


you're missing one of the biggest and most important parts of obamacare, and you're making yourself look absolutely hilariously stupid as a result

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

this is absolutely golden

seriously, the first link I gave includes an itemized list of parts of the bill sorted by date they go into effect and linking to the house's posting of the bill


you're missing one of the biggest and most important parts of obamacare, and you're making yourself look absolutely hilariously stupid as a result

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...054496682.html

Health insurers are privately warning brokers that premiums for many individuals and small businesses could increase sharply next year because of the health-care overhaul law, with the nation's biggest firm projecting that rates could more than double for some consumers buying their own plans.

The projections, made in sessions with brokers and agents, provide some of the most concrete evidence yet of how much insurance companies might increase prices when major provisions of the law kick in next year—a subject of rigorous debate.

In a private presentation to brokers late last month, UnitedHealth Group Inc., UNH -0.40% the nation's largest carrier, said premiums for some consumers buying their own plans could go up as much as 116%, and small-business rates as much as 25% to 50%. The company said the estimates were driven in part by growing medical costs not directly tied to the law. It also cited the law's requirements that health status not affect rates and that plans include certain minimum benefits and limits to out-of-pocket charges, among other things.

Insurers are "not being shy that premiums are going to increase in 2014," and are urging brokers to "brace our clients," said John Lacy, vice president of group benefits at Bouchard Insurance, a brokerage in Clearwater, Fla. His firm has been hearing from carrier representatives that individual premiums in Florida could go up 35% to 50%, on average, and small-business rates around 30%, though it hopes to find strategies to blunt the impact.

There has long been debate, even among insurance experts, over how the law will affect premiums. Because the effect is likely to vary, different measurements can arrive at different conclusions. The CBO analysis cited by the administration determined that average premiums for consumers who buy their own coverage would be 14% to 20% lower because of the law—if the law didn't change the types of plans they purchased.

But the CBO also suggested the law would lead to consumers buying more expensive plans, largely because it requires coverage to include certain benefits and limit charges such as deductibles. When this effect was taken into account, the average premiums would go up 10% to 13%, the agency said, though subsidies would ease the bite for most people. The agency also said small-business policies were likely to cost within a few percentage points of the amount they would have without the law.

http://rwjf.org/en/research-publicat...alth-care.html

A diverse group of health care stakeholders present their recommendations for controlling costs and improving the quality of our health care system.

In an effort to improve both the affordability and quality of health care in America, key health care stakeholders from the insurance, hospital, physician, business, and consumer sectors—America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), Ascension Health, Families USA, the National Coalition on Health Care, and the Pacific Business Group on Health—worked together to reach consensus about what is needed to control costs and improve quality.

The five recommendations from this group, the Partnership for Sustainable Health Care, align incentives to transform care delivery and strengthen the infrastructure needed to achieve improved savings and health outcomes.

Transform the current payment paradigm by transitioning away from the current fee-for-service payment system towards payment approaches that demonstrate their effectiveness in improving both quality and cost.

Pay for care that is proven to work by reducing payments for services that prove to be less effective and to have weaker value than alternative therapies.

Incentivize consumer engagement in care to enable consumers to make better use of their discretionary care choices.

Improve and shore up America’s health care infrastructure by focusing on seven specific areas to allow for cost- and quality-related innovations.

Incentivize states to partner with public and private stakeholders to transform the health care system.

While members of the partnership may have different positions on short-term policies, they all recognize a common commitment to a long-term vision of a sustainable, high-quality health system. The principles and strategies outlined in this report will be further refined and examined in an effort to realize this vision.

[Salodin]

Omg... Can I suck your sick?

[BaneTheBrawler]

Plow gets all the fire-kissed wildling babes.

[Plow]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...054496682.html














http://rwjf.org/en/research-publicat...alth-care.html

It's too bad there's not like some kind of large organized, almost wholesale system being implemented specifically to counter the rises in insurance charges you're talking about, as well as provide more bargaining power for both the insurers against medical providers and insured as a collective aimed directly at creating the kind of changes listed in the rwj paper.


Holy fuck you're an idiot.

[Plow]

but it's pretty awesome how you can get people on BG to think you just made credible arguments against liberal policy by linking to rupert murdoch sanctioned articles simply by being against plow, though

[Viq]

It's really mostly the GoT image clearly altered to be anti-Plow that works on people. This is the poopdeck, you should know that a clever soundbite/image is more important that facts and reason.

[Eurell]

It's really mostly the GoT image clearly altered to be anti-Plow that works on people. This is the poopdeck, you should know that a clever soundbite/image is more important that facts and reason.

Well it was a pretty glorious image, regardless of who is actually right lol.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

but it's pretty awesome how you can get people on BG to think you just made credible arguments against liberal policy by linking to rupert murdoch sanctioned articles simply by being against plow, though

A couple of things to note, that obviously need to be repeated:

I'm a liberal. I support Obamacare. I am fighting against the ignorance that Obamacare fixes everything about healthcare. It doesn't, don't become complacent over one law that was meant as a step in the direction of covering more Americans, not lowering costs. I didn't post an opinion peace and calling WSJ unreliable just because it's owned by Murdoch is laughable. If you can't process the facts I've provided for you then you're hopeless. This is more about you being right than understanding. You don't even know what the fuck you're arguing about, you're not even understanding the points I'm making to you so of course you're feeling defensive.


There are tons of bipartisan and nonpartisan papers outlining this. Costs are going to go up, Obamacare doesn't address this directly. The marketplace is for accessibility and for consumers to decide what they want, this has nothing to do with lowering the cost of care. You are one dense motherfucker.

[Kyreth]

And heck, we're a health care system here in the US that's rigged in many cases to nickle and dime people into huge bills.

If you can snag a copy of the recent Time article on medical bills (Believe it's called "Bitter Pill"), read it. You're seeing hospitals charging a dozen times the actual cost on simple stuff like a single dose of Tylenol or a bag of saline solution, and other cost multipliers that anywhere but the US health industry would be considered obscene.

[Niiro]

There was a thread on that a while back.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/114...Are-Killing-Us

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...136864,00.html

[Plow]

ok perm, disregard the post about actual information, we couldn't have you actually learning things here, that would be terrible


the irony of you accusing me of not being able to process the facts of the system is amazing lol

[BaneTheBrawler]

Well it was a pretty glorious image, regardless of who is actually right lol.

This.

[Plow]

unless it's lupus in which case you're fucked

[Moridam]

hey plow, are you somehow physically incapable of posting without also simultaneously sounding like a profound retard? i only ask, because in literally every thread that i've ever read where you've contributed, you seem to be physically incapable of posting without also simultaneously sounding like a profound retard.

i want to clarify that i'm using the term 'literally' in the non-hyperbolic, literal sense

edit- cleaned up usage, to avoid sounding like a profound retard

[Plow]

to avoid sounding like a profound retard

you failed, badly

[Charismatic]

edit- cleaned up usage, to avoid sounding like a profound retard

Isn't it ironic, don't you think?