$100/month for food is basically pasta every day.
$100/month for food is basically pasta every day.
Oh will it? Do you think the chinese dont value themselves as highly as Americans? If you were to let companies dictate how much they could pay people, the low paying menial type factory jobs/service jobs would be knocked down a down in terms of pay, and what then? People arnt going to bitch because just like now, they have to work it to make ends meet so they deal with that shit. My father and stepfather sure as shit didn't like being paid $12/hr after 20 yrs working in a leather mill but sometimes that's all you got.
People would bitch about getting $3/hr from McDonalds and you know what would happen? They'll fire that person and bring someone else in who won't bitch about the pay because $3/hr is better then $0.
Meanwhile the higher ups will be giving each other HUGE bonus checks for maximizing profit and the disparity will grow even more, unless you really think corporations would look out for their employees.
What's cost of living?Oh will it? Do you think the chinese dont value themselves as highly as Americans?
Hey! I wonder why they weren't payed less. After all, there was nothing stopping them from lowering wages, right? Right?My father and stepfather sure as shit didn't like being paid $12/hr after 20 yrs working in a leather mill but sometimes that's all you got.
Just saw this on CNN.com. I've only worked like 3 days at McD before I found some where better. But I never could see myself working there long term. Our system is fucked. That is all
So you're saying that people should be happy if they end up with living conditions comparable to that of China?
I feel bad for families that have to rely on minimum wage jobs, that being said I've known families that have taken room mates. When I first moved out with my girlfriend we had to rent a room from a family of 3 with another room mate before we could afford to split an apartment with someone else. Like Cream Soda said, if you have a family you should try to shoot higher than minimum wage. I had something like 10 jobs from the time I was 14-18 and none of them were for minimum wage.
for once I agree with hey, he said it perfectly.
The problem with a full-time minimum wage worker is that the company gets the benefit of that worker's, say, existence, but the company does not fully support their existence. The remainder of the support for that worker's existence (which benefits the company) is paid for by social services in the form of welfare, food stamps, health insurance subsidies, etc. etc.
The argument for raising the minimum wage is to place the true cost of a full-time worker's existence on the company that benefits from it.
Someone who goes into McDonalds and orders a burger benefits from the existance of the person making their burger too, so should have to pay the person's full upkeep?
That doesn't really make much sense. Minimum wage covers far more than is needed to keep the person alive for the portion of their time spent working.
p.sure if you work at mc donalds you qualify to be my neighbor.
(I live in low-income housing)
You can make it work, but yeah, it would be extremely crappy. You get about $3 a day, so you could buy some cheap pasta/sauce/bag of frozen veggies for about $1 each, but that would get old as shit after awhile. You could mix it up with eggs for more protein. However, this assumes you have access to a stove, and a fridge/freezer.
For the time they spent working, yes - however as a society we have collectively decided that "full time work" is a thing that has meaning.
Costs rising for the things that minimum-wage workers produce is an acceptable part of lessening the burden for their existence on the state. As it is, welfare and such are corporate subsidies that make ultra-low wages possible - and I don't believe that companies should have a working model that allows them to provide for less than the minimum of needs for their full-time employees.
What your assuming is based on a situation where those taking mininium wage are strictly people with no expenses, at one time this would have been a very safe to assume, these days it's not that simple. The state of the ecomony and the various things that can happen that have forced people into those situations. Simply offering lower wages for work isn't a solution either, you lower exepctations many companies ARE going to abuse them, you think McDonalds would not drop the wages to 5, 4, or 3 dollars an hour if they allowed to do so, of course they would. All you do is create a cycle where those in the higher income brackets get more and more and everyone else gets even less for even more work.
There are reasons regulations exist and generally when these regulations are lowered or removed does not generally create any good results for anyone expect the upper management of an organization.
Everyone needs to understand that a fridge is a luxury.
edit: Also, about companies abusing expectations? Of course. They have little vested interest in doing anything but lining pockets. If expansion was much more gradual (over the course of years) instead of building a new store every 2 months and they saved money then they could probably pay employees more.
I am making no such assumption.Of course they would. And the only people who would work there are teenagers, people who have no real expenses, and people in between real jobs. $3-5/hr is just fine for such people. They probably won't be so happy about it, but they'll get by just fine. Anyone who can't get by on that probably won't be working so cheaply for very long.The state of the ecomony and the various things that can happen that have forced people into those situations. Simply offering lower wages for work isn't a solution either, you lower exepctations many companies ARE going to abuse them, you think McDonalds would not drop the wages to 5, 4, or 3 dollars an hour if they allowed to do so, of course they would. All you do is create a cycle where those in the higher income brackets get more and more and everyone else gets even less for even more work.
This isn't abuse. It's market values. They are currently forced to pay more than the fair market value for labor because of minimum wage. Without the minimum wage, they would lower wages to the market value. It's no different than if a minimum price for pens was set at $5 per pen, and then subsequently removed. Once the price floor was removed, the price would drop to whatever it should have been all along.
But in this case it does. Jobs can be hard for some people to find right now, even minimum wage jobs. Take a look at unemployment rates for young minorities. That shit is disgusting. If minimum wage were abolished, wages could be made low enough that literally anyone could have a job within a day if they needed it. It wouldn't be great, but they would have some money until they could find something better.There are reasons regulations exist and generally when these regulations are lowered or removed does not generally create any good results for anyone expect the upper management of an organization.
Unfortunately this also pushes the burden onto those who will then lose their jobs, or not be able to find one in the first place.Exactly - I'm all for pushing the burden of supporting the working poor from the taxpayers onto the companies they work for.