Bard Detail

[Fake]

I use repelling shot to place stardusts. As we are often running with a non-static member or 2 so it's easier for me to stand at melee range and completely avoid stacking any meteor streams.

T7 and 8 you can use repelling and flaming arrow at will (excluding jumping into a mechanic obviously). If you are new to a fight then obviously hold off, but once you get comfortable its easy enough to keep everything on cool down and not cause any issues.

[Deadgye]

I pretty much only use repelling shot for movement. An example being breaking chains really fast in t6, especially savage. I was never a fan of using it in a rotation for more damage because it feels like every time I do bloodletter resets and I end up stalling my gcd accidentally. It causes noticeable animation lock after all. Blunt arrow is the opposite though, use that shit whenever you don't need to wait for a silence.

[Carraway]

This depends on your internet connection and probably your skill speed to a certain extent, but you can Bloodletter and Repelling in the same off-GCD span without slipping on the following GCD.

[Spider-Dan]

The thing I hate the most is getting ability rollbacks; e.g. I do the first shot of Windbite and then suddenly I'm not doing anything, it never happened, and my order is screwed. The worst is when using Repelling Shot to dodge something like Titan plumes or Acid Rain; it works perfectly most of the time (and the timer syncs up pretty well with Titan plumes), but the one time you get a rollback, you look like an idiot for not even trying to dodge.

[Carraway]

[Deadgye]

As someone who used to use repelling shot to ONLY do things like that against demon wall and levi and etc, I am ashamed that I never though of using repelling to negate heavensfall pushback. Our group should be good enough for me to be able to fuck around by now, so trying it next time.

[Alkimi]

Random question, but I've noticed this recently doing Gligamesh. Why do attacks from "confused" brds hit so much harder than other jobs? Most jobs hit for a few hundred but brds are hitting for well over 1k. Dunno if I should report it as a bug, since it doesn't really matter, but still.

[Arthars]

i assumed you guys didnt have a mnk/drg that far out to be confused to see if they do that much like a brd, which means brd is definately going to do alot more dmg than a smn/sch book, blm/whm staff would

[Niiro]

I would assume they would have made attacks by confused players just have a fixed potency regardless of job/stats.

Tho despite handling HM/BJ in T8 on my alt I can't say I've ever really payed close attention to the damage I take from the tank.

Do confused BRDs close with their targets or just attack from where they're standing?

[Ayer]

Confused players do more damage with buffs up: my WAR tank pops unchained/berserk before brainjack to try to kill me.

[Raldo]

Assuming moogle charm is the same as brainjack charm, Bards still close the gap between their targets until they reach melee range.

Also, fun Brainjack fact; back when I MT'd the fight, I found out that while charmed, I attacked in a cone and managed to rape the entire party in a few swings during a bad run. Dunno if that was a WAR-specific thing or what, but it was funny.

...but yeah, buffs up makes a huuuuge difference in charm damage.

[Spider-Dan]

Suppose that your DPS lineup is MNK BLM SMN BRD.
MNK runs out of TP and wants Paeon.
It seems to me that Requiem (i.e. MNK is slowed down until their next Invig) should always be a greater total DPS increase then Paeon, unless the MNK is far above all other DPS under normal conditions. But how far above would MNK have to be?

[Raldo]

It would be really hard to come up with a solid number. Shouldn't take but a few Paeon ticks to keep them satisfied, especially if you can BV it.

[Deadgye]

Suppose that your DPS lineup is MNK BLM SMN BRD.
MNK runs out of TP and wants Paeon.
It seems to me that Requiem (i.e. MNK is slowed down until their next Invig) should always be a greater total DPS increase then Paeon, unless the MNK is far above all other DPS under normal conditions. But how far above would MNK have to be?

That was my group setup for t5-9. If our mnk ever needed Paeon, I usually needed Paeon myself.

[alwaysatodds]

Yeah getting charmed as a bard is one of my favorite things.

[Detzu]

Suppose that your DPS lineup is MNK BLM SMN BRD.
MNK runs out of TP and wants Paeon.
It seems to me that Requiem (i.e. MNK is slowed down until their next Invig) should always be a greater total DPS increase then Paeon, unless the MNK is far above all other DPS under normal conditions. But how far above would MNK have to be?

So basically you lose two DPS to give the other two more potency (if the mnk runs out of tp, then the brd should also be out of tp). I would say they have to double their damage to make up for the loss. Can requiem do that?

[Spider-Dan]

Why would BRD be running out of TP at the same time as MNK? BRD has no equivalent to GL3.

In any case, the question is not "what if BRD and MNK are both out of TP?" as that is an easy question to answer.

[StUfF]

Why would BRD be running out of TP at the same time as MNK? BRD has no equivalent to GL3.

In any case, the question is not "what if BRD and MNK are both out of TP?" as that is an easy question to answer.

Monk abilities generally use less TP (several 50 TP abilities) comparatively to BRD (60-80) - iirc on a dummy I can go about 4 minutes (with 2xinvigorate) before running out of TP. How long does it take a bard to run dry?

[Alistaire]

Monk abilities generally use less TP (several 50 TP abilities) comparatively to BRD (60-80) - iirc on a dummy I can go about 4 minutes (with 2xinvigorate) before running out of TP. How long does it take a bard to run dry?

That will vary a bit, every straighter shot proc means 10 more tp spent. From there it's just a matter of skill speed and yes, you can easily end up about on par with a mnk, especially with multiple targets to dot.

[Deadgye]

Monk abilities generally use less TP (several 50 TP abilities) comparatively to BRD (60-80) - iirc on a dummy I can go about 4 minutes (with 2xinvigorate) before running out of TP. How long does it take a bard to run dry?

Off the top of my head, I don't think I was able to last until the third invigorate either. And in places like t8 it'll go down faster since there's dreadnaughts to dot as well.