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**chichicha** · 2013-09-23 02:35

Originally Posted by Zeb

You would spend 900 mythology on 1 dam 4 dex 5 vit instead of spending a little less on relic hand/ring which would give 13 Dex 9 vit 26 crit over Toxotes hands/ring?

It's the weapon damage... Not just stat upgrade...
Plus it does glow !

**Whaleporn** · 2013-09-23 04:42

Originally Posted by Zeb

You would spend 900 mythology on 1 dam 4 dex 5 vit instead of spending a little less on relic hand/ring which would give 13 Dex 9 vit 26 crit over Toxotes hands/ring?

When it unfolds the pussy game ridiculous

**Churchill** · 2013-09-23 05:39

**Katlan** · 2013-09-23 09:28

Doesn't seem like it was answered by anybody... but Relic +1 or Af+1 first?

**Viena** · 2013-09-23 09:38

Originally Posted by Katlan

Doesn't seem like it was answered by anybody... but Relic +1 or Af+1 first?

I'd say cheap AF+1 pieces first (particularly hands), then Relic +1, then the rest of AF+1. Probably someone has a better answer, though.

**Eanae** · 2013-09-23 09:40

Hands and legs will probably most likely be the biggest upgrades since you'd be sticking with Toxtoes in those slots over Darklight. Fairly sure Allagan hands of aiming suck a lot too which makes the AF2 hands BIS unless a 5 meld on ilvl 70 is better. Haven't looked much into BRD crafted.

**Katlan** · 2013-09-23 10:41

Thanks! Anybody have a pic if relic +1? I want to see how shiny it is lol

**Niiro** · 2013-09-23 10:44

Relic +1 are identical but with a glowy effect like the super 99 relics in XI.

Or at least I think they are, can't say I've examined them up close but at a glance they appear to be the same models with the same textures.

**Spider-Dan** · 2013-09-23 10:48

So how good is Sarnga+1 with crit melds compared to other stuff? I've seen one with three white Savage Aim IVs, so crit cap on it is >=27.

The fact that none of the top three DMG bows (relic, relic+1, allagan) have +crit is what makes me interested in it.

**Fereydoon** · 2013-09-23 10:53

Originally Posted by Katlan

Thanks! Anybody have a pic if relic +1? I want to see how shiny it is lol

Spoiler: show

**Katlan** · 2013-09-23 10:54

Originally Posted by Fereydoon

Spoiler: show

dammit thats sexy

**Fereydoon** · 2013-09-23 11:00

Pair with Gridanian Sparklers for even more shine!

**Wulfgang** · 2013-09-23 12:06

Originally Posted by Spider-Dan

So how good is Sarnga+1 with crit melds compared to other stuff? I've seen one with three white Savage Aim IVs, so crit cap on it is >=27.

The fact that none of the top three DMG bows (relic, relic+1, allagan) have +crit is what makes me interested in it.

Base damage is way too important; it would be materially worse than Titan/Garuda/Mog bows.

Regarding the +1 vs. AF2 debate, it's close for Bard's Hands and Legs; each AF2 piece for those slots is superior to the Allagan counterpart (hands it's a no-brainer; legs it's close, but AF2 still wins assuming you can still achieve 480+ ACC without them) as well so it's a worthwhile conversation. +1 weapon will always be a better upgrade than AF2 body / head / feet assuming you are going from DL as your base. I'll run the numbers through my Excel formula sheet for the hands / legs when I get home.

**Raldo** · 2013-09-23 12:12

Originally Posted by Wulfgang

Base damage is way too important; it would be materially worse than Titan/Garuda/Mog bows.

Whoa whoa there, don't start spoutin' nonsense. Sarnga+1 should have the exact same base damage as a iLvl70 primal bow, because it's HQ iLvl70 too.

It's true that relic/relic+1/allagan would probably beat it due to base damage, but not primal weapons.

That's interesting that you can push crit so high on a Sarnga, since the Mogbow only has +20 crit.

**Fereydoon** · 2013-09-23 12:19

Originally Posted by Raldo

Whoa whoa there, don't start spoutin' nonsense. Sarnga+1 should have the exact same base damage as a iLvl70 primal bow, because it's iLvl70 too.

This is only half correct. NQ Sargna and Giantsgall are both ilvl 70 and have 33 base damage.

HQ Sargna has 37 though.

**Raldo** · 2013-09-23 12:23

Yeah, that's... why I said Sarnga+1, and why SD's question said Sarnga+1. I will edit my post so it says "because it's HQ iLvl70 too" for additional clarification.

**Spider-Dan** · 2013-09-23 12:47

You can't just calculate it off of base damage though, because +crit has an effect (on ARC/BRD) that is not tied to the actual damage of the crit: BL reset.

So the real question is: how much +DMG is +crit worth?

**Raldo** · 2013-09-23 12:59

Originally Posted by Spider-Dan

So the real question is: how much +DMG is +crit worth?

Has there even been any tests at all regarding +crit? I mean, we all know it's the bees knees and all that, but I haven't seen anyone say how much it'll actually increase your chances.

**Niiro** · 2013-09-23 13:01

http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id...amageMechanics

**Krandor** · 2013-09-23 13:44

The numbers were calculated out by someone on reddit like a week ago. Values were roughly 1 Weapon damage = 6 base stat (Dex for BRD obviously) = 50 secondary stat (determination/crit)

Crit has a higher value then determination (it was calculated based off of DRG skills) but not remotely enough to close the gap. The formula is in the page just linked.

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