Thread: Primary stats for each class, 2.0 style    

I'm not sure if things have changed from 1.0 stat allocation to 2.0, but I came across this site that had guides for each class:
http://www.ffxivguild.com/ff14-arr-what-stats-guide/

In short, it basically says this:

Gladiator/Paladin
Overall GLD/PLD stat importance: VIT > STR > DEX > Parry > Determination > Skill Speed
GLD/PLD Stat allocation: VIT> STR > DEX

Lancer/Dragoon
Overall LNC/DRG stat importance: STR > Critical Chance > Determination > VIT > Skill Speed > DEX
LNC/DRG Stat allocation: STR > VIT > DEX

Marauder/Warrior
Overall MRD/WAR stat importance: VIT > STR > DEX > Parry > Determination > Skill Speed
MRD/WAR Stat allocation: VIT > STR > DEX

Pugilist/Monk
Overall PUG/MNK stat importance: VIT > STR > DEX > Parry > Determination > Skill Speed
PUG/MNK Stat allocation: STR > VIT > DEX

Archer/Bard
Overall ARC/BRD stat importance: DEX > Critical Chance > Determination > PIE > Skill Speed > VIT
ARC/BRD Stat allocation: DEX > PIE > VIT

Thaumaturge/Black Mage
Overall THM/BLM stat importance: INT > Critical Chance > Determination > PIE > Spell Speed > VIT
THM/BLM Stat allocation: INT > PIE > VIT

Conjurer/White Mage
Overall CNJ/WHM stat importance: MND > PIE > Determination > Spell Speed > Critical Chance > VIT
CNJ/WHM Stat allocation: MND > PIE> VIT

Arcanist/Scholar
Overall ACN/SCH stat importance: MND > Determination > PIE > Spell Speed > Critical Chance > VIT
ACN/SCH Stat allocation: MND > PIE> VIT

Arcanist/Summoner
Overall ACN/SMN stat importance: INT > Critical Chance > Determination > PIE > Spell Speed > VIT
ACN/SMN Stat allocation: INT > PIE > VIT

For "stat allocation," it basically says "put all into 1st until you can't, then all into 2nd until you can't, then into 3rd." Each individual class guide gives reasons for what it suggests, but I was curious of the reception of these suggestions. For example, the Lancer guide makes no mention of PIE, whereas I know it was a consideration in 1.0. So, obviously, things have changed.

What do you think? Looks good to you? What would you change, and why?

Originally Posted by Tokitoki

The damage difference was pretty small from the parser post in the Marauder thread, but the damage mitigation from STR may be the deciding factor.

Can you link to this thread? Is it on these forums?

Edit: Nvm found it: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/117...ior-Discussion

STR certainly has the most bang for its buck in my opinion. Melee damage, parried damage, and blocked damage. 3 for one.

Originally Posted by Tokitoki

I can try but I believe it was nuked. It was in the Marauder/Warrior topic that Churchill posted that was laden with sarcasm, but also useful information. The formatting was not appreciated.

I think you mean the Greatest Earth Warrior thread and thank you for your continued patronage.

Simple debate, damage mitigation is everything damage, HP is burst. If you have the HP to survive burst (or combo burst) or dodge said moves like a non-bad, then HP isn't worth it. If you're not confident in your healers or you use DF, by all means get that 450HP safety net. This is assuming that 450 isn't needed for a burst threshold. I'm currently over 6k with Defiance active and haven't been close to one shot including a 3 nail Hellfire from Ifrit Hard.

Originally Posted by AnghellicKarma

Arcanist/Summoner
Overall ACN/SMN stat importance: INT > Critical Chance > Determination > PIE > Spell Speed > VIT
ACN/SMN Stat allocation: INT > PIE > VIT

Small mistype. I imagine you were copy/pasting format.

Has it been explored if DEX would be worth it for GLD/PLD? If it gives you a significant block rate boost I can imagine it being useful. I'm probably wrong but something I was wondering about.

Preference for most part I guess, but I like doing a little more damage as PLD. The extra HP doesn't look appealing when most of my deaths are from terrible healers or party being slow (Qarn's 1st boss with bee adds not being killed in time). If your reaction is up to par, you should be able to dodge most aoe designed to be avoidable (like cutter's cry boss). But then again my experience is limited up to the Lv38 dungeon.

Originally Posted by Kuishen

Has it been explored if DEX would be worth it for GLD/PLD? If it gives you a significant block rate boost I can imagine it being useful. I'm probably wrong but something I was wondering about.

There's not a lot of info on it, but what there is suggests that it has wide tiers like str based mitigation, and similarly only increases by 1% per tier. We'll probably have to wait until someone is willing to risk wasting a respec and doing the endless parsing to find out for sure, but it doesn't appear to be a significant boost.

to delve into the hp vs mitigation discussion, we should probably just use the WoW terminology:

Effective Health.

Effective Health is the combination of your total health pool, plus any *ALWAYS ON* damage reduction-- basically, armor and anything that's a flat -x% damage. Forget avoidance/blocking and whatever. What you're looking at with Effective Health is a worst case scenario, which means your avoidance failed.


What's the point?

Well, to put it simply, it's to figure out exactly what will happen to you in a worst case scenario.


As a general rule, you will want to make your EH high enough that even with bad avoidance and a boss special + melee at the same time, you're still standing long enough for the healer to keep you up.


At that point, you can largely forget hp and go all out on avoidance. You should definitely prioritize hp/armor/reduction% up until that point, because if you can't survive when your avoidance fails, well, you're fucked.


FFXI pretty much never really had that concern, because there was basically nothing that would gib you with multiple hits. It was either 1 shot mechanics or healers ooming or whatever that would kill you. If you had shit like a breath + melee killing you, it was because you were standing in the wrong spot and took way more damage than necessary from the breath.



tl:dr--

You want enough HP to survive your basic worst case scenario (not group is wiping, just you take a couple melee and a special all close together so you need hp buffer for healer to get their cast off).

At that point you should prioritize damage avoidance/reduction and output.


So, question:

Why does BRD want pie?

Please tell me it's not basically brd/whm just with stuff to do in between maging at endgame ; ;

Originally Posted by Plow

So, question:

Why does BRD want pie?

Please tell me it's not basically brd/whm just with stuff to do in between maging at endgame ; ;

I was curious about this^ don't bard songs burn mp so more mp=longer songs?

I believe the other BG came up with BRD base PIE being adequate if the BRD uses an Ether. Basically 2 BRDs rotating Paeon to keep TP up for big fights.

That says MND is best for WHM, but why is spell speed being discounted so much? I thought spell speed reduced your GCD as well as cast time. Obviously MND is the best stat, but it seems spell speed should be more important than determination.

I've got a comfortable HP cushion, so I'm going to dump my points into STR at this point. Parry is nice, and I want to parry moar.