Gotham (...coming to FOX)

**Marootsoobutsu** · 2014-10-29 03:02

Originally Posted by Cichy

It's not getting any better. Actually, it's the worst type of story in my opinion. They rely too much on Batman mythology without Batman. Young Bruce is annoying and they don't let Jim stand on his own and actually accomplish something. He's just a guy that gets constantly pushed around and stumbles across Batman easter eggs.

I dunno... I think that's part of what Gotham City is. Gordon has always kind of been that guy who exists to be good, but to always have small victories at best. He is greatness because he doesn't get beat by the city, but he never really wins against it, either. This last episode was solid for showing what his partner is: a guy who WAS the idealist, but who DID get beat down by the city. He still white knights, but he's much choosier about his battles, and he's grown incredibly cynical on his ability to affect change.

I'm not an avid Batman reader. I've read a few of the big stories, but not enough to really comment on Batman. I'm sure there are dozens of references I'm not getting, but meh. I *LOVE* this Penguin. I love that Gordon is less protagonist of the story than a lens through which we get to see the story-- it's not about him, it's about Gotham. He's just our point of view.

**Laugana** · 2014-10-31 21:06

It's not a good show. It's a train wreck at best, but I can't help watching it to see how it'll fall on its face.

The writing is god damn awful. I can't believe this is coming from the same guy who did The Mentalist. I haven't watched that show in a while though so I don't know if it's also failing plotwise.

Everything is so over dramatic. I mean, who can take that goat plot seriously? And a man who kills people with balloons? And that scientist killing people with a neon green drug? And cat girl creeping though the Wayne manor, all jumping up and down on stuff. We get it, she's supposed to be cat like. Ugh.

After the last episode though, I am wondering how Jim's going to survive since he didn't kill Oswald. And what's Oswald's plan anyway? Who announces themselves in the middle of a police precinct when you're supposed to be dead?

But I'll be here until they cancel it.

**Cichy** · 2014-10-31 21:47

^you summed it up nicely but I guess it has some viewers since they already ordered more episodes. Sleepy Hollow is a pretty shittastic show and they got 2 season now so maybe we just watch those shows cuz there's nothing better on Monday

**Kaslo** · 2014-11-01 00:30

Penguin is pretty much the only thing keeping this a float. He's just fucking awesome.

**Laugana** · 2014-11-02 09:45

Him and his creepy mum.

**Delirium** · 2014-11-02 10:00

Really hoping they don't fuck up Victor Zsasz. I'm about to cut this show out. Almost worse than The Flash.

**Howie Roary** · 2014-11-02 10:11

that Kringle chick based on anyone from the comics?

**Delirium** · 2014-11-02 15:25

not that I know of, unless it is something really obscure. Prolly some random character they made to further Riddler being weird.

**Salodin** · 2014-11-03 10:06

So can I binge watch this yet or is it super mediocre and I shouldn't feel bad for skipping it?

**Gryffes** · 2014-11-03 10:44

I like it sort of, it feels like if they stick with it it could improve a lot like Arrow did, but at the moment Robin Taylor is hard carrying the show.

**Delirium** · 2014-11-03 10:58

I thought this was pretty cool. Real cop wants to be an actor. Gets on Gotham.

**ronin sparthos** · 2014-11-03 11:20

Originally Posted by Salodin

So can I binge watch this yet or is it super mediocre and I shouldn't feel bad for skipping it?

It's mediocre. I'm watching only because I desperately hope things get gud.

Spoiler: show

**Laugana** · 2014-11-03 11:33

Originally Posted by ronin sparthos

It's mediocre. I'm watching only because I desperately hope things get gud.

Spoiler: show

Totally agree with everything here.

I'm hoping that once Gotham has built its base, it can start developing better storylines. Obviously the main one is going to be about how Wayne Enterprises has some dirty higher-ups which Bruce is totally going to uncover and it's going to be connected to Jim via the mafia families.

**Iono** · 2014-11-03 21:32

Originally Posted by Gryffes

I like it sort of, it feels like if they stick with it it could improve a lot like Arrow did, but at the moment Robin Taylor is hard carrying the show.

I'm pretty much just watching it as the penguins background story. I never really knew much about him, and questioned why he always had henchmen to follow him. This depiction makes more sense.

**SephYuyX** · 2014-11-04 08:12

I for one rather not wait seasons for plots to work out. The sooner, faster, the better.
Just like Fargo, I'd rather watch a concise one season show, than one that is drug out forever.

**Delirium** · 2014-11-04 08:22

That was NOT Victo Zsasz. That was some random ass mob hitman using the name.

I give up on this show.

**nicholai** · 2014-11-04 12:34

Really? I thought this was the best episode yet. I love Gordon gone full not giving a shit, and Penguin was awesome.

**Nekonaruto** · 2014-11-04 15:36

I second that...episode was great! Generally speaking I really like the direction the show is going in...maybe I just have super low expectations, but I don't find anything majorly wrong with it. Some performances are a bit cringe-worthy but all in all it's great entertainment!

**Laugana** · 2014-11-04 16:11

I didn't realise it aired on Mondays as I usually save up a few episodes to watch in bulk. Off to watch the latest ep.

**Laugana** · 2014-11-04 17:12

Ha! That episode was rather fun. Lots of great one-liners and double crosses. Oswald is still the best and I agree that Jim was awesome when he didn't give a shit.

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