Multiple Characters vs. Sticking with one - Thoughts?

[FeroXs]

It's tempting but I'll always stick to the FFXI ethos of having one 'main' for everything (excluding mules ofc).

[Kainos]

Holy shit

[Elcura]

this forum will get better when the game comes out guys

guys

guys come on get better

Remember when the XIV forums were good?

Yeah.

[Rocl]

Remember when the XIV forums were good?

Yeah.

me either

[Fojoop]

Wait what, you're the one constantly arguing with Spider-Dan and I'm the idiot?

Yeaaah

You and spider-dan are both dumb as fuck and fucking retarded beyond belief.

On topic: The fact people are considering making new characters for each job they want to level this early in the games life-cycle shows how badly designed and supported the armory system is at the level cap. Hopefully SE gets their heads out of their asses and realizes how much they fucked up. This is SE though, who doesn't let us send tells in dungeons because we might be "mean", won't add a dungeon kick system, won't add a master loot system for end game content, and didn't want to add a right click - > BL feature because we might "accidently blacklist friends".

[Spider-Dan]

What the hell do you think I'm saying? Either start reading or get out.

Is this your standard refrain when you say something dumb?

You say the amount of content in the game is laughable.
The vast majority of players are nowhere close to boring farm status on coil 4.

The amount of content in the game is only "laughable" for the most extreme of hardcore players; players who consider the amount of time needed to redo the entire storyline and refarm philos on a completely new character as a non-factor.

On topic: The fact people are considering making new characters for each job they want to level this early in the games life-cycle shows how badly designed and supported the armory system is at the level cap.

No, it shows that they aren't going to build the game around catering solely to those who would play 20 hours/day.

You already showed your hand when you advocated lowering drop rates just so you can grind even harder to collect items at the same rate. WTF is this nonsense?

[Elcura]

Is this your standard refrain when you say something dumb?

You say the amount of content in the game is laughable.
The vast majority of players are nowhere close to boring farm status on coil 4.

The amount of content in the game is only "laughable" for the most extreme of hardcore players; players who consider the amount of time needed to redo the entire storyline and refarm philos on a completely new character as a non-factor.

You guys are fucking simpletons.

Yes, the amount of content in the game is laughable and I don't give a fuck if you disagree. I also said I was OK with that and willing to wait considering what happened to the game overall, but I suppose that isn't understanding enough. You guys just need an excuse to say some shit huh? Even if you look stupid doing it. That's OK, I know you have some stupid man-crush on me so I'll let it slide this time.

You and spider-dan are both dumb as fuck and fucking retarded beyond belief.

This guy knows.

[ejact]

this forum will get better when the game comes out guys

guys

guys come on get better

But we can't get better we're capped at 300 Myth a week.

[Spider-Dan]

If not being on Team "they should lower drop rates and remove lockouts" is the retarded position, I'm happy to be there.

As I already said: most of the grinder complaints in this thread are resolved instantly by a 90% reduction in exp and tomestone rewards.

[Fojoop]

If not being on Team "they should lower drop rates and remove lockouts" is the retarded position, I'm happy to be there.

As I already said: most of the grinder complaints in this thread are resolved instantly by a 90% reduction in exp and tomestone rewards.

Holy fuck how can you be this retarded and stupid at the same time?

[Rocl]

well i tend to think of retarded and stupid as synonyms so it's probably pretty easy to be both

[Spider-Dan]

Fojoop, why don't you try explaining why players should want reduced drop rates? So... they can grind more?

Or you could just create another new account and agree with yourself.

edit: You seem to grasp the fact that the reason why weekly lockouts/caps exist is because the devs want to limit the maximum speed at which players can acquire the best gear, yet you also seem to think the solution to that is to lower drop rates, ostensibly to make gear acquisition harder for non-hardcore players while yours stays exactly the same (because you still will not be permitted to get the best gear faster than the devs think you should). This is dumb and you should feel dumb.

But, to the point of the topic, if you are a person that:

- places zero value on the amount of time needed to redo storyline, relevel subclasses, and refarm philos from scratch
- has coil down to boring farm status and can think of nothing else to do for ~160 hours a week
- has no interest in farming/selling philo mats

...then yes, you should make multiple characters. Make one character for each day of the week! (and an eighth character to mess around with in your "downtime," I guess)

[Elcura]

well i tend to think of retarded and stupid as synonyms so it's probably pretty easy to be both

Maybe it implies that one is deliberate and the other just can't be helped?

[blowfin]

On topic: The fact people are considering making new characters for each job they want to level this early in the games life-cycle shows how badly designed and supported the armory system is at the level cap. Hopefully SE gets their heads out of their asses and realizes how much they fucked up.

I wouldn't go that far, we're just seeing the symptoms of the holes left in the game by the lack of CT at release.

Are they likely to address them in the short term as a band aid fix? No. Not at the cost of compromising the upcoming content.

[Fojoop]

I wouldn't go that far, we're just seeing the symptoms of the holes left in the game by the lack of CT at release.

Are they likely to address them in the short term as a band aid fix? No. Not at the cost of compromising the upcoming content.

Unless CT has no loot lock out and I can spam it the 24/7 to gear all my jobs in full ilvl80 gear the issue will persist.

Let's all hope it has no loot lock out and extreme modes and/or moogle primal drops ilvl75+ gear.

[blowfin]

Unless CT has no loot lock out and I can spam it the 24/7 to gear all my jobs in full ilvl80 gear the issue will persist.

That looks like the plan (to have no lock out). For a start it's going in DF...

Also, you do understand that wanting to be able to spam the content 24/7 until you're done with it is slightly unreasonable, don't you? There's a price associated with that and it's usually in the form of absurdly low drop rates (e.g. lvl 35 items from Salvage: not that you could even spam it 24/7). Now we get to the discussion of how much grind is reasonable to dish out to the meat of the playerbase without them crying foul, and that belongs in another thread.

[Spider-Dan]

I wouldn't go that far, we're just seeing the symptoms of the holes left in the game by the lack of CT at release.

Not really. People in this thread are complaining about not being able to spam unlimited i90, and I don't see why the ability to get unlimited i80 would satisfy them any more than the (currently existing) ability to get unlimited i70.

[blowfin]

I don't think that's the bulk of the complaint to be perfectly fair. As I mentioned above wanting to be able to spam for late game gear without restriction is unreasonable. I think the majority of people do actually understand that.

And no, this is totally related to a lack of content. Lack of content is the root cause, and new content to fill the void is the fix. If people are still unhappy after 2.1, then SE either stuffed up, or they've done it right and people are being unrealistic. As it stands at the moment though, even though it doesn't effect me and I'm bemused a little by the huge amount of spare time that some people appear to have, it's most certainly a problem. Probably an edge case for hardcores, but whatever, they're people too.

[Fojoop]

Not really. People in this thread are complaining about not being able to spam unlimited i90, and I don't see why the ability to get unlimited i80 would satisfy them any more than the (currently existing) ability to get unlimited i70.

You are so fucking stupid.

@ Blowfin, no one is asking for loot when we talk about coil lock outs, we're asking for the ability to play the damn game, which we can do for 45 minutes per week right now, on a single job, in a game that's advertised as "play every job on a single character". Coil locking me out from PLAYING defeats the entire purpose of the armory system and makes it have no point at the level cap on battle jobs outside of 24/36 cross class skills.

The second thing we're asking is loot related, but it comes in the form of "Hey, we can make a new character for each job we want to play and have separate myth tome caps, can't you just give every job on a single character the same treatment, SE?", because if we can bypass this artificial "barrier" they shouldn't have it there in the first place. All the barrier does is make the armory system completely worthless and serve no purpose for battle jobs at the level cap outside of cross-class skills(sorry for repeating the same thing) Both these systems might work in WOW, and tons of other successful MMO's, but they don't belong in FF14.

[blowfin]

@ Blowfin, no one is asking for loot when we talk about coil lock outs, we're asking for the ability to play the damn game

Well you might want to clarify yourself then, not for my sake though. A couple pf posts back you're stating that you want to be able to farm the level 80 gear 24/7 when it comes out. I know you're probably talking about filling the gaps left as fast as possible, but it could be misconstrued pretty easily. Plus, what I said before about it not being realistic.

I'm acknoweldging there's an issue with content, this is pretty evident in my posts, plus I can see the issue myself in game. I just don't think any fucks will be given by SE with 2.1 bearing down on us.