The Official Forum fail thread: This game wasn't meant for alts.

[Kaixin]

The OF Digest:

speedruns are broken
atmas are broken
hunts are broken
glamours are broken
coil lockout is broken
high dps is broken
morale is broken
wolves den is broken
frontline is broken
teleports are broken
parsers are broken
the community is broken
encounters are biased for ranged
no wait encounters are biased for melee
nevermind encounters are biased for ranged

everyone at SE should be fired

[Kaiyoko]

Isn't t9 push the ever living fuck out of dps so you don't get a second dragon?

It depends on your group, which is my whole point. You have to change your strat and handle each situation differently. Some groups need the 2nd dragon and some groups can push through it. You don't want to run into a situation where you get the Dragon + phase push at the same time, and understanding when the transition happens and your groups DPS is important to controlling the transition.

And if you didn't obtain all that gear you just spent months doing Coil for your DPS wouldn't be at the point where you need to hold DPS. So just what is that gear for? And why are you bothering to get it if it's just forcing you to stop DPS and remove any benefit in increased DPS it might have given? The whole system is broken.

Gear is nothing more then vanity, survivability, and kill speed. Now you're going to say, "BUT I HAVE TO WAIT 5-10 SECONDS TO ATTACK NOW, THE KILL SPEED NO CHANGE?!?!?". You're right that moment in the fight is the same as before because you have to wait, but later phases are quicker because of the DPS change reducing your kill speed.

Groups playing like robots and having a complete breakdown when something changes are complete failures at understanding the encounter. It's complete bull shit to think you can just walk into a boss fight and do what ever you please to get your FREE LOOT for the week. You beat a fight consistently when you understand everything about the encounter. Groups that often wipe for an hour + on T7 ( or other turns) even though they have beaten it multiple times clearly do not understand the fight. They are just following a script presented to them by another group through a video / guide.

[Kaixin]

And why are you bothering to get it if it's just forcing you to stop DPS and remove any benefit in increased DPS it might have given?

why do I eat if im just going to poop

[Rocl]

why do I eat if im just going to poop

i struggle with this every day

[Grey Jorildyn]

Gear is nothing more then vanity, survivability, and kill speed.

Um... that's the whole game in a nutshell. So gear = everything basically? Thank you for the observation? Skill is in there somewhere but most don't really give a shit about getting better at the game. They just care about getting the gear. For evidence see the casual hunt bullshit.

[Kaixin]

Um... that's the whole game in a nutshell. So gear = everything basically? Thank you for the observation? Skill is in there somewhere but most don't really give a shit about getting better at the game. They just care about getting the gear. For evidence see the casual hunt bullshit.

He's saying just by equipping i110 doesn't mean you auto-win coil. Understanding is more important. Better gear allows more room for error (survivability--ie double melusine fireball), faster times (kill speed), and swag status (vanity). This is the counter-argument against the idea that better gear should make coil easier always (like surviving death sentence without hitting a cooldown).

A raid group who understands the fights will adapt to changes in fight rhythm before it ever gets to the point of requiring a moaning post on the OF claiming some system or other is broken. They will be proud that they have broken through to the next level of DPS and see changing mechanics as an achievement. Yes, they may have to pause to push Ramuh after Chaotic. Or they have to have the tank overcharge so tethers can get orbs. But they do just that, and on the flip side, get to burn through 65%-0%.

A player who lacks understanding will bitch about how last week wasn't the same as this week. He will wipe over and over until he gives up and goes back to what worked last week. He will see changing mechanics as a punishment.

So no, gear does not equal everything basically.

[Kaiyoko]

Um... that's the whole game in a nutshell. So gear = everything basically? Thank you for the observation? Skill is in there somewhere but most don't really give a shit about getting better at the game. They just care about getting the gear. For evidence see the casual hunt bullshit.

Gear is far from everything, you're completely under valuing mechanical skill, encounter observation, and communication.

Edit: Gdi beaten

[BerenTebogo]

The problem with eating spicy food.

[Kirbyprime]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tent-on-the-DF

tl;dr Special Olympics please, even if I lose I should still win.

Many of the older endgame encounters on DF (Extremes, Turn5) are arguably too difficult for successful completion even with the full echo buff. A majority of DF parties I've been in have not succeeded even when making earnest attempts till the time has run out. The game, as a DF player, flirts a bit too much with being "not worth it" the way it is now.

[Grey Jorildyn]

I am not undervaluing it. I was providing a glimpse into the mentality of the vast majority of players who in fact do believe those things. Skill trumps all obviously. However few subscribe to that and it's unfortunate.
My statement was facetious in that it highlighted only the first part of your argument and purposely ignored the rest. It's the OF fail thread! Just trying to play the part on a boring day at work... ;p

[Alistaire]

The OF Digest:

speedruns are broken
atmas are broken
hunts are broken
glamours are broken
coil lockout is broken
high dps is broken
morale is broken
not having morale is broken
wolves den is broken
frontline is broken
teleports are broken
parsers are broken
the community is broken
encounters are biased for ranged
no wait encounters are biased for melee
nevermind encounters are biased for ranged

everyone at SE should be fired

you forgot one

[Ratatapa]

Please be a troll


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...remove-glamour

[Taim Meich]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2310334

Explained and diggested for them, an still a big bunch of the replies are still like this:

If I can somewhat consistently fail something with a 70% chance of success 8 times in a row, essentially meaning the 30% of failure won out, shouldn't it be possible that I successfully do something with a 30% success chance 8 times in a row? As anyone who plays this game will tell, that will never happen... ever. The game seems to favor failure regardless of your chances of success. There are so many occasions throughout my mining in this game since launch that a 95% success chance has yielded 3/4, 4/5, and 5/6 fails. They're always in batches, be it in a row or over a larger pool of attempts. This isn't even including the rather consistent occurrences of 1/4 failures on nearly every node with a 90% or higher success chance. Why is it common and predictable that I fail a 45% success chance to meld 8+ times in a row, meaning the remaining 55% won out all those times, yet I will almost never successfully gather something with 55% success rate as a common and predictable outcome?

I know statistics have some difficult concepts to grasp, but, damn. Why bother, Minagawa? I appreciate the effort, but ultimately, people just want to rant (like I'm doing right now, about them).

[Kirbyprime]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...der-chocobo%29

play from day 1 beta of 1.0. quit game after read this. not fun.

[Neon_Sea]

lmao that reply was priceless. It's MY loot and I want it NOW!

[Kaiyoko]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...der-chocobo%29

YOU GUYS ARE RUINING MY IMMERSION. STAHP ET! ONLY COUPLES SHOULD BE ABLE TO RIDE CHOCOBOS TOGETHER.

[Alistaire]

Someone on gw posted there was a thread titled "Will-Yoshi-P-sign-my-boobs-at-fanfest" but the first reply was already "boy that got taken down fast"

[Seravi Edalborez]

Yeah I saw it+posted it when it had like 4 replies and it was already gone.

[Shaano]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...blem-in-Ul-dah

[Ratatapa]

That's kinda funny