FFXIV PVP Discussion Thread: HAHAH SLEEP!

**shepardG** · 2013-12-17 19:51

hmmm, didn't know that. Titan's stun is on a fairly low cooldown though is it not?

**Lokus** · 2013-12-17 21:33

Both Titan and Ifrit have a 2s stun on a 40 sec CD though I personally think Garuda is still superior to either. She can stay in one spot and keep attacking whereas Ifrit and Titan have to keep chasing down someone. MP hasn't been an issue so far either for SMN so I've been liberally using Ruin II to Blind people or quickly interrupt someone casting.

**Eldoras** · 2013-12-17 21:56

Originally Posted by Lokus

Both Titan and Ifrit have a 2s stun on a 40 sec CD though I personally think Garuda is still superior to either. She can stay in one spot and keep attacking whereas Ifrit and Titan have to keep chasing down someone. MP hasn't been an issue so far either for SMN so I've been liberally using Ruin II to Blind people or quickly interrupt someone casting.

Its one thing I am finding pretty amusing using my drg on the lvl 40, having 2 x stuns from leg sweep and dive with the latter being useful to getting their instantly. Also it helps being able to at least sprint -> invigorate right near the opening without a worry on TP. As players get more points I'm seeing more mages as decoys with the abilities that reduce damage and such. If you encounter a smn and whm, that can become a shitfest fast if they have those abilities but I haven't met anyone beyond lvl 8 yet. Like someone else said, it's day one so everything is changing as time goes on but I think the one class that's 100% to stay is war as your tank.

**Fojoop** · 2013-12-17 21:58

SCH is a complete garbage healer compared to WHM, Regen + sprint in circles + swiftcast medica2 = you can't die. SCH has a 75% hp heal every 45 seconds, WHM has constant renew on everyone making everyone invincible while they move. Sprint either needs removed or SCH needs more mobile healing, we beat every single team with a SCH(mainly because SCH requires about 100-200 more APM to play than whm) and beat most WHM teams, but the only teams we ever lose to have a WHM. This isn't even mentioning the fact they have sleep and a knockback and magic DEF buff, nor is it mentioning the fact if you kill a SCH's fragile pet or apply any pressure to it their healer drops to almost zero. It's hilarious how I have to stay in range of my pet and micro my pet perfectly while a WHM just casts regen and holds W.

**Ksandra** · 2013-12-17 22:03

idk about that dude, killing a whm on brd seems to be a million times easier than sch because of lustrate.

**Seravi Edalborez** · 2013-12-17 22:05

I'll agree that WHMs are annoying as shit to kill with all their options (and if they have Bene you usually have to do it twice). SCH I felt overwhelmed at times and disease isn't helping against ranged DPS. Haven't played any more since this morning (~8 DF matches) so, grain of salt. In those matches nobody was good at sleep coordination. I got slept once and then immediately woke up. In another match they slept our PLD and I just erased it. Half of them nobody on either team even had sleep.

**Fojoop** · 2013-12-17 22:05

Originally Posted by Ksandra

idk about that dude, killing a whm on brd seems to be a million times easier than sch because of lustrate.

If a bard is on a SCH they can never, ever, ever, EVER cast a spell on anyone or themselves without that 5 minute CD 10 second duration buff.

Edit: Yep, just played my first match as WHM in vanya robe and darklight boots with NQ relic, I am literally invincible. WHM is beyond fucking OP and such a superior healer, there is zero reason to play SCH inside of PVP right now.

**Ksandra** · 2013-12-17 22:14

Originally Posted by Fojoop

If a bard is on a SCH they can never, ever, ever, EVER cast a spell on anyone or themselves without that 5 minute CD 10 second duration buff.

On the times I was solo queuing as sch I cast lustrate all the time, and use my pet to cure myself. Don't exaggerate.

Keep in mind you are going to be playing against a lot of n00bs. You may have just gotten lucky.

Did a bunch of runs as bard with my sch friend, he rarely rarely died, and usually when he did it was a run where the other two players weren't helping to focus target the enemy healer.

**SamanosukeShiva** · 2013-12-17 22:15

Originally Posted by Rocl

were you one of the many causalities who suffered at my hand today or one of the lucky ones who squeaked out a win!?

i think bard is probably the most disappointing class to face ;\ it's like going to the zoo and taunting a handicapped lion

lol both, u beat me the 2nd time

**Fojoop** · 2013-12-17 22:20

Originally Posted by Ksandra

On the times I was solo queuing as sch I cast lustrate all the time, and use my pet to cure myself. Don't exaggerate.

Keep in mind you are going to be playing against a lot of n00bs. You may have just gotten lucky.

Did a bunch of runs as bard with my sch friend, he rarely rarely died, and usually when he did it was a run where the other two players weren't helping to focus target the enemy healer.

Sorry, no, I just played WHM in another match and my medica2 + regen on everyone at the start kept everyone alive so I didn't even need to PVP trinket. WHM is god mode, SCH is 100% unviable. There is zero reason to play a SCH over a WHM inside PVP. if you leave me alone I sleep your entire team, if you focus me I kite you around forever. WHM is Season2 resto druid.

**Ksandra** · 2013-12-17 22:23

Originally Posted by Fojoop

Sorry, no, I just played WHM in another match and my medica2 + regen on everyone at the start kept everyone alive so I didn't even need to PVP trinket. WHM is god mode, SCH is 100% unviable. There is zero reason to play a SCH over a WHM inside PVP.

fucking rofl. Ok dude you go ahead and believe that. I'll just keep killing those whms.

**Lokus** · 2013-12-17 22:23

I have the opposite experience. WHM is much easier to get rid of as opposed to SCH.

**Elcura** · 2013-12-17 22:30

Originally Posted by Fojoop

SCH is 100% unviable. There is zero reason to play a SCH over a WHM inside PVP. if you leave me alone I sleep your entire team, if you focus me I kite you around forever. WHM is Season2 resto druid.

Do you ever stop saying stupid shit?

**Ksandra** · 2013-12-17 22:31

GUYS I STAYED ALIVE IN A FIGHT MY JOB IS THE BEST JOB EVER AND YOURS SUCKS.

**Kipling** · 2013-12-17 22:52

I have opposite experience. No one can kill me on SCH but we burst WHM's down asap.

**Kyte** · 2013-12-17 23:02

I like how they disabled /say and made our names hidden...but still enabled emotes, thus making it all pointless.

**Limlight** · 2013-12-18 00:04

Originally Posted by Uryuu

I have opposite experience. No one can kill me on SCH but we burst WHM's down asap.

I....hate.....smn + sch combo.....so much

**Kiarax** · 2013-12-18 00:16

Random observation: 95% of PLDs are fucking morons and sprint away whilst popping hallowed at the end of every game. What is it about that class that just draws the most obnoxious fucks around?

Edit: Damn, second I post this a WAR finally tried the same thing. Only took 70 games!

**shepardG** · 2013-12-18 00:35

Originally Posted by Kiarax

Random observation: 95% of PLDs are fucking morons and sprint away whilst popping hallowed at the end of every game. What is it about that class that just draws the most obnoxious fucks around?

Edit: Damn, second I post this a WAR finally tried the same thing. Only took 70 games!

LMAO, towards the end of our adventures, we got a war in full dark light with a nq bravura, and he was the most legit dude. When he was last one left (in 2 matches mind you) he went to the center of the arena, and just /sit while we killed him. Was the most legit cool thing ever.
Sometimes ya just gotta know what's up.

And yeah, i'd rather face a WHM healer than a SCH. Whm's can't out kite a pld/war and a bard focusing them fully, but a Sch doesn't even need to stop to cure bomb themselves with lustrate, AND they have a pet curing them also. Not to mention, I think SCH's gear inheriently has more spellspeed on it than whm's.

**shepardG** · 2013-12-18 00:37

I'm curious if a pld's hallowed ground + raise could be viable for instances when a teams healer goes down.

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