[Guide] Black Mage - Because, heavy deeps, that's why.

[haroldsaxon]

This sort of makes sense?
EMX weightings are done via the Potency Formulae that he derived - since BLM and SMN share most of the same gear and don't have significant mechanics that adjust the value of any of the sub stats (i.e. CRIT procs) I would assume stat weightings for both classes would be very similar.

Compartively MNK/DRG have different gear and there are mechanics which change stat weightings (CRIT/SKS modifiers like GL,Internal Release, and AAs).

I don't think PURO has still formulated his new stat weightings yet after being told his original ones were wrong. Is he still averaging his findings to get a "global" equivalence of stats? i.e. he would average his ilvl10 data with his ilvl110 data even though it was obvious that stats had some kind of scaling.

I could be completely wrong, but I remember some testing saying that determination is higher weighted on low potency spells. Furthermore, the only testing that EMX did (on his public thread) was literally one dataset. The only other data was from Kenji which was mainly at i90, and with full gearsets. I know recently Puro has done a lot more testing on Det, but EMX hasn't really done specific BLM testing; hell, he doesn't even have a BLM himself which is why he takes all of Kenji's values.

[StUfF]

I could be completely wrong, but I remember some testing saying that determination is higher weighted on low potency spells. Furthermore, the only testing that EMX did (on his public thread) was literally one dataset. The only other data was from Kenji which was mainly at i90, and with full gearsets. I know recently Puro has done a lot more testing on Det, but EMX hasn't really done specific BLM testing; hell, he doesn't even have a BLM himself which is why he takes all of Kenji's values.

Yeh, EMX BLM data was never very extensive, and PURO hasn't formulated any new weightings with his new data (his old data was also actually taken with a base of 0 gear). There's really no good source of BLM theorycrafting.

I remember seeing a new calculator/simulator by the chocobro guy(s), any idea wha tmaths those guys are usign?

[haroldsaxon]

Yeh, EMX BLM data was never very extensive, and PURO hasn't formulated any new weightings with his new data (his old data was also actually taken with a base of 0 gear). There's really no good source of BLM theorycrafting.

I remember seeing a new calculator/simulator by the chocobro guy(s), any idea wha tmaths those guys are usign?

Absolutely no idea. Hasn't their site been offline for around 3 months?

Puro actually got a lot more data when he re-tested, but he was averaging all the data instead of using an average on each test to account for the +/- 5% damage. However, I remember he was addressing it. I remember he concluded that 1 Int = 5 det, which may or may not have been correct in that relationship, but obviously WD, SS and Crit affect that relationship.

To be honest, though, i'll always have respect for Puro and EMX for trying, because I myself would rather play the game than gather data, i've spent far too much time in another game doing it. Puro seems willing to look at his data to see if there are issues, however EMX doesn't seem to be interested, and has automatically assumed the damage formulae is the same for each class, just swapping in Strength for Int or for Dex.

[StUfF]

Absolutely no idea. Hasn't their site been offline for around 3 months?

Puro actually got a lot more data when he re-tested, but he was averaging all the data instead of using an average on each test to account for the +/- 5% damage. However, I remember he was addressing it. I remember he concluded that 1 Int = 5 det, which may or may not have been correct in that relationship, but obviously WD, SS and Crit affect that relationship.

To be honest, though, i'll always have respect for Puro and EMX for trying, because I myself would rather play the game than gather data, i've spent far too much time in another game doing it. Puro seems willing to look at his data to see if there are issues, however EMX doesn't seem to be interested, and has automatically assumed the damage formulae is the same for each class, just swapping in Strength for Int or for Dex.

Well - I don't think it's a big leap for potency formula for all classes to be the same (all primary stat build into an "attack power" anyway). The potency formula is out there and it would be quite simple for any person to provide data that contradicts if it if was not accurate. I don't think EMX every showed his logic for his rotations to generate his stat weights so it's very possible he could have been mistaken considering he doesn't play BLM.

I'm pretty sure EMX has moved on from FFXIV and was banned from official forums where he did most of his posting anyway.


This is the post regarding re: sim.
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ject_chocobro/

May need to ask the author or check his source code to see what formulaes he's using.

[haroldsaxon]

Well - I don't think it's a big leap for potency formula for all classes to be the same (all primary stat build into an "attack power" anyway). The potency formula is out there and it would be quite simple for any person to provide data that contradicts if it if was not accurate. I don't think EMX every showed his logic for his rotations to generate his stat weights so it's very possible he could have been mistaken considering he doesn't play BLM.

I'm pretty sure EMX has moved on from FFXIV and was banned from official forums where he did most of his posting anyway.


This is the post regarding re: sim.
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ject_chocobro/

May need to ask the author or check his source code to see what formulaes he's using.

Yeah, EMX moved to League.

IIrc, I remember reading some data that came to the conclusion that lower potency benefits more from determination. However, I can't find that anywhere.

Would be interesting to see what damage formulae that Chocobro uses. At the end of the day though, rotation and skill is far more important. I personally prefer to forgo determination because you just don't get as much of it as Crit or Spellspeed.

[Burrmanchu]

I remember reading some data that came to the conclusion that lower potency benefits more from determination. However, I can't find that anywhere.

Me too, and me too.

[Black]

just got high allagan body of casting, now trying to run ST for either oil ..or any good piece..? which is good?!?

[OWS_Tonx]

Iori!

I'll get with you ingame when I get home later and see the rest of your set. Kinda depends what you plan on using BLM for though cuz acc requirements etc. With how much acc is on soldiery and HA it shouldn't be a problem, I just don't know off the top of my head

[Black]

Iori!

I'll get with you ingame when I get home later and see the rest of your set. Kinda depends what you plan on using BLM for though cuz acc requirements etc. With how much acc is on soldiery and HA it shouldn't be a problem, I just don't know off the top of my head

with my current set i got enough acc for coil up to t9 with food, im i96 with upgraded ring just now

http://i59.tinypic.com/23n1cn.jpg

[Deadgye]

IIrc, I remember reading some data that came to the conclusion that lower potency benefits more from determination. However, I can't find that anywhere.

Me too, and me too.

Oh, I might be able to corroborate this. Let me update my crit&other stuff thread. This would also explain why AA benefited more, since it's a low potency attack.

[OWS_Tonx]

with my current set i got enough acc for coil up to t9 with food, im i96 with upgraded ring just now

http://i59.tinypic.com/23n1cn.jpg

Sorry dude, had coil yesterday that I was 20mins late too then the gym after. Was completely dead lol. when I get some more free time at work right now I'll review

[Black]

Sorry dude, had coil yesterday that I was 20mins late too then the gym after. Was completely dead lol. when I get some more free time at work right now I'll review

im setting on 5 sands, gona keep 2 for tank since i still havent seen legs/feet since ages and the 3 i got will use on blm. most likely im starting with weapon then depends on whats droping next week+

[OWS_Tonx]

Yeah, weapon is always priority. I would definitely use an oil on a ring since there isn't another i110 one besides High Alla which should be an easy pickup from T6. You may want to use it on the wrist also, iirc HA drops in T9. Those are just easy ones I know off the top

[haroldsaxon]

Yeah, weapon is always priority. I would definitely use an oil on a ring since there isn't another i110 one besides High Alla which should be an easy pickup from T6. You may want to use it on the wrist also, iirc HA drops in T9. Those are just easy ones I know off the top

Personally, I used an oil on the Neck and got a crafted ring. With the weapon, i'm not really having accuracy problems.

[Black]

Yeah, weapon is always priority. I would definitely use an oil on a ring since there isn't another i110 one besides High Alla which should be an easy pickup from T6. You may want to use it on the wrist also, iirc HA drops in T9. Those are just easy ones I know off the top

next week i might upgrade ear/wrist, and there is lots on casting gear so its hard to get in my static, especially probably from next week a guy who was out for a while back and he get casting too so its 4 people lol

[OWS_Tonx]

Damn, 4 people? lol. My last static in 1st coil had like 4 people on casting, was terrible. Especially with how shit our cast legs drop rate was.

Personally, I used an oil on the Neck and got a crafted ring. With the weapon, i'm not really having accuracy problems.

that's the thing with a lot of this new gear, so much goddamn accuracy lol. I think I'm rocking like 510 on BLM right now. I'm pretty late to 2nd coil though, dropped my last static after the 5th week and just started back on it with new group a couple weeks ago. Have only seen T6 casting drops

[Burrmanchu]

Oh, I might be able to corroborate this. Let me update my crit&other stuff thread. This would also explain why AA benefited more, since it's a low potency attack.

Cool please do.. got a link to crit&other thread?

Also @ other guys.. isn't this "advanced theory crafting"? lol

[OWS_Tonx]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/120...d-other-stuff-) Is his thread.

We generally use this as the ask blm questiosn thread, easier than making a new one in general section

[Kyroc]

Casting pants and earring drop from T9. Wrists is T7. I finally got mine last night. Yay!

[Deadgye]

Oh, I might be able to corroborate this. Let me update my crit&other stuff thread. This would also explain why AA benefited more, since it's a low potency attack.

Yeah so 5am is not a good time to look at data. I switched the damage values for misery's end in my head even while looking straight at them .