Thread: Patch 2.2 ─ Through the Maelstrom Trailer Now Live! (03/14/2014)    

Originally Posted by Alkar

There's a new Relic quest which will most likely involve Extremes.

Except Yoshi made the reference to using your relic weapon in Letter from the Producer LV, which makes me think it will be stage 3 of Relics.

I hope Relic+2 isn't that easy but they'll prob be shit tier again anyway tho

Originally Posted by Qeomash

You'll still find that mentality in some, but I feel it is much less of a driving force than it was back then.

And it still won't matter if you have even a moderately-sized FC.

Seriously. I figured everyone on BG would have had a decent FC by now. Wasn't everyone communicating pre-launch about where to go and who to go with?

Originally Posted by Kaslo

There is nothing saying they won't do that now. Say i100 for DLv2(Gerolt) and Allagan2, then CTv2 at i110

I feel that's a stretch. CT is casual content now and forever.

Yeah it would make no sense to give casual content the best gear in the game over the current hardcore raid. I figure this is more the reason why CT1 didn't have i100 gear rather than the fact it came second when it should have been first. SE could have easily bumped up the ilevels on the gear if they wanted it to be progressive.

If SE had launched CT i80 first, Coil v1 in 2.1 and now CT2 in 2.2 with i100 gear people would have been raging about Coil v1 being outdated so quickly and by casual content. That would mean nothing difficult worth doing until Coil v2 in 2.3. Maybe SE realised this and that is why they swapped them around. It makes more sense to put a 3 month lifespan on the casual raid and 6 on the difficult raid rather than 3 on each and have 3 months out of every 6 where the easy content has the best loot.

Of course you could argue they both should be difficult if they're going to give the best loot, but SE has to cater to their casual playerbase too. I think SE could do better and have both options. Coil v1 could have had a normal and hard mode, with normal dropping i80 gear. Likewise CT1 could have had a hard mode dropping i90 gear. Doesn't WoW do that with their raids? (I don't play it)

If they did the two difficulty modes idea I suggested you wouldn't be DFing the hard mode, it would be like Coil where you can't. The casual existing CT would remain as normal mode.

Originally Posted by Obsidian

No way that CT will ever provide the best gear, because it would have to be the hardest content. There's absolutely, positively, no fucking way in hell a DF alliance could ever accomplish a CT Hard Mode. Parties routinely wipe on Atomos, and it doesn't even fight back.

This is so true. Like.. how can 'one tank + a couple ranged dps kill adds' be so hard lol, it's amazing.'

as far as CT being casual content, it's certainly nice to do at least for the tomes and a random i80 piece of gear for fresh 50s. I have a couple friends who I spammed CT with for tomes and their piece of gear, so it's real cool for them, but yeah..once 2.2 comes out, I can start introducing them to Coil and get them up to speed all while hopefully gearing myself.

Originally Posted by Akiyama

This is so true. Like.. how can 'one tank + a couple ranged dps kill adds' be so hard lol, it's amazing.'

as far as CT being casual content, it's certainly nice to do at least for the tomes and a random i80 piece of gear for fresh 50s. I have a couple friends who I spammed CT with for tomes and their piece of gear, so it's real cool for them, but yeah..once 2.2 comes out, I can start introducing them to Coil and get them up to speed all while hopefully gearing myself.

to be fair 99% of the wipes at this point are due to someone afking, locking people out. If everyone is inside I have never seen my party wipe.

Originally Posted by Obsidian

You can't take 18 people into the instance so you'd have to use the Duty Finder. Even if by some miracle they changed that, do you know 17 not-retards? I don't.

You can't yeah but I'm sure they said they're changing that with the next CT (or 2.2, I forgot). I suppose that would have meant having to DF a potential hard mode CT1 but maybe they would have implemented that feature faster if they went down that path.

Having said that I'm in the same position as you and don't know 23 (not sure why you said 17 as it's a 24 man raid not 18) not-retards. My FC is fairly small and doesn't even have two Coil groups yet. The pros of being an EU player on a legacy NA/EU server. But you can often get decent groups via the PF for hard content so I'd not be too concerned.

Has Yoshida said anything about Coil Turns 1-4 being added to DF in patch 2.2?