Rehauled Weapon Skills: tier lists

**Karbuncle** · 2014-07-21 13:48

VS would be for MNK... either way, thanks both of you. I think with all of this in mind, I'll probably get Rudra's first since... well... THF is still my favorite job and the one I play on the most when soloing and such... I rarely go MNK when I have jobs like BRD and COR :I

so Rudra's, VS, then if i bother with it, CdC and Ukkos

**Darkmagi** · 2014-07-21 20:12

All are worth having if you play the jobs, SC damage is huge now, and having a self SC property is really big.

**Hitou** · 2014-07-22 04:07

I'd get them all, probably v. smite before rudra's but it's your call. Rudra's is not really worth using unless stacked or for a SC. Looks cool though. If you have more time than money you can always camp the NMs so it's less coins/dice/residue.

**Karbuncle** · 2014-07-22 04:58

Money is the issue here which is why my priorities are on what jobs i'll be on more often, followed by actual usefulness. I was going to camp the NMs for dagger, but once i got to Black Triple Star i remembered I hated camping that NM since hes still an annoying c*nt to spawn.

But yah, Probably not touching VS til second, the times I've played MNK in the last year can be counted on one hand... DD spots hard to come by XD. Also, Tachi: Fudo was just tossed into the equation so I'll probably have to get that first since its pretty... required... for SAM.

Still looking at like... 7mil or more per weaponskill, which I'm having a hard time choking down... I've tried doing Walk of Echoes but that was slower than simply farming dynamis for gil :I

**Sechs** · 2014-07-22 06:38

It would probably be "cheaper" to create a couple of mules before the next login campaign and exploit 4600 login points worth of liminal residue/dices.
With a bit of mules you could be done in 2 or 3 campaigns.
Just throwing up ideas here eh

**sahearniitth** · 2014-07-22 12:39

If Fiat Lux is open it has a fairly high droprate on Die/Residue pouches as well during the campaign.

**Karbuncle** · 2014-07-22 12:40

Makes me that much more upset i'm deranked too far :I

**Fwahm** · 2014-07-22 13:15

Maybe you should server change for a bit! On Sylph, for example, it costs under 4m to unlock an Empyrean WS on the non NM path.

**Classikmage** · 2014-07-27 08:37

Anyone know if the Crit rate on Evisceration is still 10/25/50 like what's listed on BGwiki? Or did it get enhanced even further during the WS rehash update?

**Karbuncle** · 2014-07-27 08:43

Thats post enhancement I thought.

**Classikmage** · 2014-07-27 08:46

Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Thats post enhancement I thought.

I coulda sworn those were the same number pre-enhancement. At least the 1000 TP was 10% before the change. Didn't pay as much attention to 2000/3000 TP values.

**Karbuncle** · 2014-07-27 08:50

Evisc only got changes to 2000~3000 as far as fTP values. (Meaning from 1001% TP and upward)

TP bonus increased when the bearer has 2,000 or more TP

**Priran** · 2014-07-27 23:40

So did this change make Apex Arrow any more viable vs Jishnu's (using the Tenzen bow) than it was a couple months ago?

**Prothescar** · 2014-07-28 02:02

nope

**Sechs** · 2014-08-27 01:27

Since I assume the first place goes to the Merit one, what's the next best Staff WS after the rehauling?
With and without Job Specific ones, and please do not consider the Mythic weapon boost.

**dasva** · 2014-08-27 03:00

I don't think all the staff ones actually got tested (in fact I don't think any of the physical ones did)... and even the ones that did some of them were broken and then fixed so would be hard to say for sure but Vidohunir is definitely strong as heck right now even without mythic weapon boost.

**Karbuncle** · 2014-08-27 03:16

Most of the physical ones remain pretty sh*t, including Shattersoul... at least compared to other weaponskill upgrades. I couldn't give you exact fTPs but they're still pretty darn gimp... Also, as far as Magical ones go, I can say for certain "Garland of Bliss" is still garbage too. Less garbage, but still considerably garbage.

**Sechs** · 2014-08-27 03:21

Well I need to farm SC points by soloing WSs on SCH and SMN to unlock Omniscience and Garland of Bliss.
I kinda need to know which WS I should use to do most damage, and I was kinda thinking about Retribution honestly.
Given the Overflow of Merits I have lately I could just delete Exenterator (which I haven't been using for a while) and temporarily unlock Shattersoul but I was kinda trying to avoid doing that lol

**Hitou** · 2014-08-27 04:03

Ayame Trust, Tachi: Gekko > Retribution. No clue why you need it to do a lot of damage for WS points.

**Sechs** · 2014-08-27 04:19

Originally Posted by Hitou

Ayame Trust, Tachi: Gekko > Retribution. No clue why you need it to do a lot of damage for WS points.

Well, I was basically wondering doing against very easy targets (maybe in the old world) to do SCs with Ayame, a scenario where I don't need damage, actually less damage is probably even better, versus going against very easy stuff in SoA to get some CP at the same time as I get WS points, and in this scenario mobs have much more HP and hit harder, so I would kinda need to use different trusts (healer + Ulmia + Joachim) and doing more damage would probably be beneficial so monsters don't survive too long.

I was kinda trying to go for the second way to kill 2 birds with one stone, let's say

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