ilevel 115 Naakuals drop "Arcane Glyptics" augmentation system

[NynJa]

get KI (any works), apply OAT, punch things for 1 min without any DA, check where multihits come from.

Its not like the KI's are a pain in the ass to get

[Sechs]

Kaquljaan with Acc+15/OAT is stupid fun on Rune Fencer when you're fighting ~115 fodder on top of all your other multi-hit. I was basically guaranteed at least two attack rounds. Looks like a good toy when messing around, and Aettir will be the go-to for higher end stuff.

I'm gonna do the same on my Kaq but not sure about the acc+15. It's gonna be a tool for low level stuff. On such targets you shouldn't need the additional acc so other bonuses would be better, wouldn't it?

[Sechs]

Performed a small spreadsheet test on DNC

Gear

Spoiler: show

Main: Izhiikoh
Sub: R15 Sabebus
Head: Felistris Mask
Neck: Charis
Earrings: Dudgeon & Heartseeker
Body: Charis+2
Hands: Umuthi
Rings: Epona & Rajas
Back: Atheling
Waist: Patentia
Legs: Quiahuiz (Aug: +8STR)
Feet: Iuitl+1
Buffs: Haste Samba, Haste, Berserk, Aggressor, Ionis

Target: Delve Fodder
WS: Evisceration (new formula)

Base dps damage => 730,9
Atoyac OAT, +20att => 702,2
Atoyac OAT, 2%WSd => 692,5
Atoyac OAT, 4% Crit => 697
Atoyac OAT, 2% Cdam => 697,2

So from this point of view it seems that Atoyac, while fun and shit and jiggles, is not worth it.
Tried on DC Dynamis targets too, the result doesn't change altough the gap is slightly smaller.



Edit:
THIS TEST IS WRONG.
Did some mistakes in the spreadsheet, wasn't really accounting for OAT, see page 4 of the thread

[Cream Soda]

Edit: Computer crashed. will try again tomorrow

[Lyramion]

get KI (any works), apply OAT, punch things for 1 min without any DA, check where multihits come from.

Its not like the KI's are a pain in the ass to get

From quick and dirty testing: 115 h2h occ attacks twice is for mainhand only like expected

[Cream Soda]

Occ attack twice Maochinoli; definitely only works in one hand. Never got beyond 3 attacks w/o a kick. No multi attack gear/sub

Went and melee'd down 5 walls in lebros cavern; btw Asuran still king there (did a vsmite off pars too was close to raging fists)

Here's the parse itself if you need it for anything (Kparser save)
https://www.mediafire.com/?hz65lqu6lcir1ds

Offense

Damage Summary
Player               Total Dmg   Damage %   Melee Dmg   Range Dmg   Abil. Dmg  WSkill Dmg   Spell Dmg  Other Dmg   Absorbed Dmg
Tigerwoods               11632   100.00 %       11080           0           0         552           0          0              0
Total                    11632   100.00 %       11080           0           0         552           0          0              0


Melee Damage
Player            Melee Dmg  Abs'd.Dmg   Net Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss    M.HR %   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi  M+0.Avg  M-0.Avg
Tigerwoods            11080          0     11080   95.25 %     608/33   94.85 %   94.85 %      0/20    18.00    18.00


Melee Crit Damage
Player                #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C-0.Avg     Crit%
Tigerwoods              181     13/20     18.75   29.77 %


Weaponskill Damage
Player                 WSkill Dmg  Abs'd.Dmg   Net Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg
Tigerwoods                    552          0       552     4.75 %       4/0   100.00 %      96/153   138.00
 - Asuran Fists               456          0       456    82.61 %       3/0   100.00 %     151/153   152.00
 - Raging Fists                96          0        96    17.39 %       1/0   100.00 %       96/96    96.00

Extra attacks

Melee Data

Player               # Melee Attacks    # Melee Rounds    Attacks/Round    # Extra Attacks
Tigerwoods                       641               252                2                144

Player               # +1 Rounds   # +2 Rounds   # +3 Rounds   # +4 Rounds    # >+4 Rounds
Tigerwoods                   102            18             2             0               0

Player               # MultiAttack Rounds    MultiAttack %     Kills w/Min Attacks    Kills w/<Min Attacks
Tigerwoods                            122          48.41 %                       0                       0


Treat As:

Multi-attacks per attack (2x/3x):

Player               # Double Attacks    DA Rate    Perc. DA     # Triple Attacks    TA Rate    Perc. TA
Tigerwoods                        104    20.63 %     83.87 %                   20     3.97 %     16.13 %

Multi-attacks per round (Kicks):

Player               Footwork?    # Rounds w/Kicks    Kick Attack Rate
Tigerwoods                  No                 102             43.97 %

[Treize Kordero]

OAT only on maninhand for Maochinoli.. that kind of breaks my heart lol. Doesn't seem worth it really. Maybe I'm speaking too soon. Any comparison to other H2H weapons like: Homstead Cesti, Eminent Baghnakhs, Oatixur, and Tinhaspa?

[Darknightleo]

OAT only on maninhand for Maochinoli.. that kind of breaks my heart lol. Doesn't seem worth it really. Maybe I'm speaking too soon. Any comparison to other H2H weapons like: Homstead Cesti, Eminent Baghnakhs, Oatixur, and Tinhaspa?

It won't beat out Oats or Tinhaspa. But I'm liking OAT/Attack+20 Maochinoli more than Homestead/Eminent.

[Raelia]

It's the same augment as TotM weapons then, just like Fulgurante. Safe to confirm 40%, especially if someone looks through the .dats and only sees the one still.

[Treize Kordero]

It won't beat out Oats or Tinhaspa. But I'm liking OAT/Attack+20 Maochinoli more than Homestead/Eminent.

If it beats Homestead in DPS then that will be great... hopefully a comparison will pop up soon

[Rhonda the Sly]

It won't beat out Oats or Tinhaspa. But I'm liking OAT/Attack+20 Maochinoli more than Homestead/Eminent.

As an aside, I took Homestead Dagger / Atoyac(OAT) to a Reive and I was able to Self-Skillchain as THF/WAR somewhat consistently. If it wasn't for Ice Lion occasionally sneaking up on me and Glacial Tombing me to death, it would have been a fun WKR.

[dasva]

An aside to that aside does anyone know if those save tp latents work in the offhand or if the melee ones work with range ws? Or if maybe the ranged ones work with melee ws too? 50 save tp is friggin sick especially with these new ws dmg

[Atticusu]

They do work in offhand, or at least the homestead weapon for blu did pre update, haven't tried after yet.

[fantasticdan]

Offhand doesn't work for melee ws, idk about ranged.

EDIT: As in the save tp doesn't, the OAT works.

[Hitou]

Save TP from homestead weapons was working in offhand before. If it doesn't now it must have been ninja edited in one of the updates.

[fantasticdan]

I just went and checked and it's working offhand with club and sword. I could've sworn it didn't a few days ago, but maybe I mixed up eminent wand with homestead.

[Sechs]

On stuff up to Delve Fodder at least, Kaqluujan OAT comes above of Aettir by ~15 points of damage (~370 vs ~385).
Good augments seem to be Crit Rate (best I could find) and STP+5, followed by Attack+20.
I kinda prefer Crit Rate and STP over the latter because the first two would work even on stuff where you're attack-capped, whereas att+20 would not.

[Fake]

Except when is RUN going to be attack capped? Especially when you consider the bulk of damage is coming from a WS with an attack penalty

I can't see crit rate coming anywhere close to +20 attack, for 99% of the time.

[Sechs]

Except when is RUN going to be attack capped?

Dynamis? Salvage v1? Old world stuff? On some/most of these stuff you either are capped or so close that you cap with food. I think at least?
Either way I wasn't capped on Delve Fodder for sure (in the spreadsheet) since I had no buff loaded other than Hasso and Haste, but Kaql Oat still came above Aettir.
Maybe I messed up something, try some tests on the spreadsheet yourself?

I can't see crit rate coming anywhere close to +20 attack, for 99% of the time.

It's what the spreadsheet says. Even with no food loaded up, Crit+4% still gave me (slightly) better numbers than +20 attack.
Can post more details of my setup in the spreadsheet if you want.
Crit+4% should be useful even on shitty stuff like... very old content, and on low end content of Adoulin. Uneffective on WS though, that's for sure, and with an OAT weapon WS damage should represent a fairly high percentage.


I still have to trade KIs for my Kaqluujan, I'm more than willing to read more input if you're bored enough to do some tests :D

[Fake]

Old world stuff sure you will cap, DC dynamis mobs you'll need ~1000 attack to cap on assuming no debuffs and more for resolution. Anything in Adoulin, even Ceizak mobs you will be nowhere near capped attack.

Given how most WS scale I don't see crit rate beating 5 store tp. At what point 20 attack beats 5 Store tp I can't be bothered to check, but crit rate should be pretty horrible compared to either.