Supreme Court: Can't make employers cover contraception

[ringthree]

No. A corporation can consist of only one person. It's just legal nonsense, mostly paperwork.

Sorry, I edited my comment to be more clear.

[tyven]

In case anyone is wondering hobby lobby does cover vasectomy

[ringthree]

If this only effects private companies then this ruling isn't as harmful as people make it. It sucks and affects some people, but not anywhere near as broad as title suggests.

It is part of a build 5-4 set of case law. They are trying to build precedence for the notion. It makes expanding these imaginary rights easier in future decisions. Its a very dangerous path to take.

[Kaslo]

If this only effects private companies then this ruling isn't as harmful as people make it. It sucks and affects some people, but not anywhere near as broad as title suggests.

You realize the Koch bros company is a closely held corporation right?

There are more large closely held corporations than people think.

[Blubbartron]

In case anyone is wondering hobby lobby does cover vasectomy

Isn't this against catholic teachings as well? How the fuck... I mean, I guess I shouldn't be shocked anymore when religious people are hypocrites, but that's just fucking blatant.

[ringthree]

Isn't this against catholic teachings as well? How the fuck... I mean, I guess I shouldn't be shocked anymore when religious people are hypocrites, but that's just fucking blatant.

Because it isn't about religion, it never was. Its about "traditional values" and those values can be anything, and as long as they can be mixed in with religion they can apparently be upheld. Those traditional values often include the role of men and women in the family, work place and society.

[Blubbartron]

You realize the Koch bros company is a closely held corporation right?

There are more large closely held corporations than people think.

This. It does affect quite a lot of people, but it's the difference between everyone in the country and maybe 50-60% (rough estimate, probably very generous; I couldn't find any statistics with a quick google).

[djzombie]

The only reason to declare corporations are people is to more easily and effectively trample the right's of actual people.

[Byrthnoth]

Religion can be applied to any arbitrary topic (like contraception) and the government shouldn't be restricted from creating laws on arbitrary topics due to religious beliefs.

Terrible decision, Supreme Court. Pointy implications 0/10 would not approve.

[Salodin]

If this was a public company (with associated benefits), gov agency, etc I'm all for the pitchforks, but that's not the situation. This case walked a fine line, and they chose to uphold a companies rights as a private corporation. There's nothing wrong with that, even if you think the company is run by bible thumping twats (which they are). These aren't basic rights being violated (as much as people would wish they are), so legally where is the leg to stand on here?

[ringthree]

If this was a public company (with associated benefits), gov agency, etc I'm all for the pitchforks, but that's not the situation. This case walked a fine line, and they chose to uphold a companies rights as a private corporation. There's nothing wrong with that, even if you think the company is run by bible thumping twats (which they are). These aren't basic rights being violated (as much as people would wish they are), so legally where is the leg to stand on here?

There is a major problem with granting rights to a non-person.

[Meresgi]

I'm starting up a company and will be withholding service to all middle aged and senior white males due to my religion. It will be a strip club/coke dealership

[Correction]

If this only effects private companies then this ruling isn't as harmful as people make it. It sucks and affects some people, but not anywhere near as broad as title suggests.

It does continue the distressing trend that corporations are politically intact extensions of a person's (or a few persons) will. You now have no choice but to endorse that will by shopping there. You can't divide the act of shopping there from their stone-age misogyny. People have believed this since before this ruling (see Chik-Fil-A) but the walls keep coming down; It's an 'all or nothing,' uncompromising and divisive way to organize society and that's just plain harmful. We should have never let that shit mix together, Corporations should never have been granted personhood.

[Guyverarmor]

I'm starting up a company and will be withholding service to all middle aged and senior white males due to my religion. It will be a strip club/coke dealership

/Thread

Mersegi, I am totally sharing that line with a couple of people I know today. You will of course get credit.

[Athas]

Was just watching LWTWJO about this last night, it's really annoying how what should be a straight forward decision goes 5-4 because everything has to be politicized now.

Also by what metric anywhere are Christians a minority in the US.

[Salodin]

I'm starting up a company and will be withholding service to all middle aged and senior white males due to my religion. It will be a strip club/coke dealership

Yeah sure, if you can the gov. to agree you're a real religion. You can't be the first person to try this lol.

It does continue the distressing trend that corporations are politically intact extensions of a person's (or a few persons) will. You now have no choice but to endorse that will by shopping there. You can't divide the act of shopping there from their stone-age misogyny. People have believed this since before this ruling (see Chik-Fil-A) but the walls keep coming down; It's an 'all or nothing,' uncompromising and divisive way to organize society and that's just plain harmful. We should have never let that shit mix together, Corporations should never have been granted personhood.

You raise a good point, but are ignoring that these are private companies. They can run their shit however they want, and if they don't want to provide contraceptives then so be it. We don't have to support them, and you are within your right to campaign and protest against their twatty practices. Again, the item in question is not some basic right being violated, it's just an easier (and better working) form of birth control that women prefer to take.

We aren't freeing the slaves here folks, and majority of companies (and people eligible) are still getting their bc the same ol way.

[Meresgi]

@salodin

It's cool. My religion isn't founded by darkies so obviously it will get approved! Also I don't call god or jesus by weird names.

Also I think the major thing is that hobby Lobby and chik fila are not a small private business that employs 20 ppl or so. They are major companies and I don't care what they think of themselves.

[Egon]

It should be when it perpetuates harm to others you fuckwit.

But Christians were the ones getting harmed. So it's OK for a certain group of people to be harmed? Isn't that was racism is?

[Blubbartron]

You raise a good point, but are ignoring that these are private companies. They can run their shit however they want, and if they don't want to provide contraceptives then so be it. We don't have to support them, and you are within your right to campaign and protest against their twatty practices. Again, the item in question is not some basic right being violated, it's just an easier (and better working) form of birth control that women prefer to take.

We aren't freeing the slaves here folks, and majority of companies (and people eligible) are still getting their bc the same ol way.

It doesn't matter how big the violation is - a person's freedom of religion stops the moment they would use their religion to impact other people. You want to mutilate the genitals of your baby because your religion says it's necessary? Fuck you. You want to stop people from preventing unwanted children? Fuck you. This isn't the beginning of using religion to fuck over your employees (the catholic church has been doing it forever in schools, and increasingly in large hospital organizations), but it is a clear expansion into new territory (non-religious entities using religion to fuck over people).

Religion is the single worst rationale you can use to try to change someone's behavior. It's the intellectual equivalent of "because I fucking said so."

[Charismatic]

Egon, c'mon.

Anyway, I don't agree with 'how' this went down but I also don't agree that any company should be forced to pay for anyone's contraceptives either so I don't really care too much either way.