Supreme Court: Can't make employers cover contraception

[Meresgi]

No, because access to/free birth control is not a fundamental right of any one in this country.

But being able to deny medicine to people who want it is?

[Weegion]

No, because access to/free birth control is not a fundamental right of any one in this country.

But the rights of corporations certainly are, and we must protect them no matter the costs.

[Tyrath]

No, because access to/free birth control is not a fundamental right of any one in this country.

No but you're denying something BASED on someone's religion. What is so hard to grasp about the issue.

[Meresgi]

makes a lot of good points. Why only christian beliefs? Why can they take government subsidies yet then say they want to dictate how the FREE money is spent?

[kuronosan]

No, because access to/free birth control is not a fundamental right of any one in this country.

Wat

[Xno Kappa]

I'm fairly ignorant on the subject but are contraceptives really that hard to get a hold of? Growing up in NY, there were an assload of places that gave out free condoms. Nowadays the wifey uses the depo shot which was also fairly easy to obtain.

[Qalbert]

they aren't talking about condoms

[Astylla]

I'm fairly ignorant on the subject but are contraceptives really that hard to get a hold of? Growing up in NY, there were an assload of places that gave out free condoms. Nowadays the wifey uses the depo shot which was also fairly easy to obtain.

I have dual coverage medical insurance and my own Women's health doctor won't fucking provide me with what I want which is bullshit. I sent her an email asking for a phone appointment to get me a prescription for birth control and stated I wanted a pill and don't care which one and even stated the specific ones I have been on before to help. I specifically stated I do not want the shot , and am not interested in an IUD. Bitch tells me there are "too many other options" and I have to physically come in. WTF are you fucking kidding me ? I've already had my pap smear shit , and multiple biopsies done - all I want is a fucking birth control pill that doesn't contain penicillin since that will kill me..it's not fucking hard. Obviously it is however..

I'm not a feminist by any stretch of the fucking imagination but I still feel this ruling is garbage as it's making it more difficult for some to receive a basic benefit.

[Meresgi]

I'm fairly ignorant on the subject but are contraceptives really that hard to get a hold of? Growing up in NY, there were an assload of places that gave out free condoms. Nowadays the wifey uses the depo shot which was also fairly easy to obtain.

The IUDs or w/e acronym they have, cost a months wage if you make minimum wage without insurance, pills cost a hefty amount without insurance, and in a lot of places planned parenthoods have been closed down so that maybe 1 is within a 1hr bus ride for some people.

[Tyche]

Who is ready to be refused a blood transfusion from their JW employer?

[Sepukku]

Who is ready to be refused a blood transfusion from their JW employer?

no more vaccines!! Coming to you in SCOTUS docket 2015!!

[Edelweiss]

The IUDs or w/e acronym they have, cost a months wage if you make minimum wage without insurance, pills cost a hefty amount without insurance, and in a lot of places planned parenthoods have been closed down so that maybe 1 is within a 1hr bus ride for some people.

This is another thing too (glad you brought this up); it's not really easy or cheap to get sufficient quantities of birth control. Especially in the South i'd imagine, where the "war on women" (which is really just a war on common sense and/or muh religion) means there's like one fucking clinic (that also provides abortion services) for the whole state, or multiple states if situated close enough (think this might be the case for Texas, though I genuinely can't remember where the fuck this sole clinic is located). It sure as fuck isn't expedient or immediately availible for the socioeconomic groups that probably need it to be.

Who is ready to be refused a blood transfusion from their JW employer?

[kuronosan]

Who is ready to be refused a blood transfusion from their JW employer?

Finally, someone that gets it.

[Blubbartron]

Let's be fair here - the companies aren't preventing you from getting something. They're making it so prohibitively expensive that you can't choose something that makes life easier. The JW company would be saying "here, I thought you would enjoy this $5,000 medical bill for 3 units of O+ that you needed to live after that accident you had." Hospitals would still give you the transfusion (because EMTALA), but you'd be fucked over for a good long while because of the cost.

But yeah, in principle that's a completely plausible scenario because of this ruling.

[Meresgi]

Let's be fair here - the companies aren't preventing you from getting something. They're making it so prohibitively expensive that you can't choose something that makes life easier. The JW company would be saying "here, I thought you would enjoy this $5,000 medical bill for 3 units of O+ that you needed to live after that accident you had." Hospitals would still give you the transfusion (because EMTALA), but you'd be fucked over for a good long while because of the cost.

But yeah, in principle that's a completely plausible scenario because of this ruling.

And then in Texas they fire you when they find out you went and had blood given, because of the right to work!

[Talint]

This ruling pissed me off so much I forgot to watch the opening 30 minutes of my world soccerball tournament thinger.

[kuronosan]

Hospitals actually avoid transfusing for various other reasons these days, but blood is god awfully expensive.

Point being that any business owner can now create a small subsidiary that is "family owned", provided it isn't publicly traded, and just claim religious persecution to continue denying basic rights to their employees.

And yes, if men can get vasectomies and Viagra, women should be able to do the same. Fuck anyone who thinks basic contraceptive care is not a right.

Actually, fuck anyone who thinks health care is a privilege at all.

[Headspace]

No, because access to/free birth control is not a fundamental right of any one in this country.

http://www.unfpa.org/rh/planning.htm

[Drex]

I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that paying an insurance company to give insurance to your employees constitutes a "substantial burden on the person’s ability to act on that [religious] belief" is a dolt, and/or intentionally disingenuous. As I stated previously, there is effectively zero difference between making the argument that you won't pay for insurance that could end up giving birth control to women, and making the argument that you simply won't pay (hire) women that might end up using their income to get birth control.

The religious freedom test was not met.

The annual penalties for offering female employees insurance without deductible/copay-free contraceptive coverage would have been 20x the annual penalty of dumping all employees onto the exchanges. Not only is that burden substantial, but, as the justices conceded, there are ways the government can give women access to contraceptives that are not as punitive to objectors (less restrictive to the religious). Therefore the religious freedom test was failed, burden or not.

If more and more aspects of the ACA are challenged on this front we'll end up with UHC, which was where we should have started anyway. Politicians and SC are kicking that ball back and forth.

Who is ready to be refused a blood transfusion from their JW employer?

"This decision concerns only the contraceptive mandate and should not be understood to hold that all insurance-coverage mandates, e.g. for vaccinations or blood transfusions, must necessarily fall if they conflict with an employer’s religious beliefs." - Justice Alito

[kuronosan]

Then it's a bullshit ruling.