Sexist portrayals of women? What about men?

[BaneTheBrawler]

galka subligar for 5+ years, give zero fucks.

[RKenshin]

Another issue clouding this topic is that men and women are not sexualized in the same ways.

Sexualizing a male character for a female audience is very different from sexualizing a female character for a male audience (visually). A female character typically involves skimpy/tight and/or sparse woman's clothing, feminine poses, and a curvy figure. A male character typically involves tight/rugged/form-fitting men's clothing, male poses, and a chiseled/lean/muscular figure.

If you swap the gender of either of those stereotypes, it's going to look weird/ridiculous no matter what point you're trying to make.

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How comfortable are you with more men in thongs appearing in your media?

Fine with me. Comics in particular have a pretty rich history of diversity and inclusivity, so the odd thong or impossible sexy pose that exists doesn't really take that much away from my favorite comics. Pity that print is dying.

[Penthesilea]

Fine with me. Comics in particular have a pretty rich history of diversity and inclusivity, so the odd thong or impossible sexy pose that exists doesn't really take that much away from my favorite comics. Pity that print is dying.

I don't recall your opinion over the spiderwoman cover, what was it?

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I don't recall your opinion over the spiderwoman cover, what was it?

I think Manara was contracted by Marvel to draw a Spiderwoman alt cover and he delivered what he always does. Dude isn't going to change his style after more than 40 years in the business. Spiderwoman probably deserves better than an Italian erotica illustrator if Marvel intends her to become some progressive feminist symbol but that property has always kind of been a 'see what sticks' experiment by Marvel that so far, hasn't stuck to anything. Marvel splitting cover duties between Greg Land (who traces porn) and Milo Manara (who draws actual porn) on Spiderwoman #1 raises an eyebrow but it's a tempest in a teapot.

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[Waraji]

This is going to end up getting locked.

And some temp-bans.

[NynJa]

Mod who shant be named is back?!

[ronin sparthos]

Men are already sexualized in media like comic books or MMOs. Every dude has a massive bulge in his pants, an Athenian body and nary an imperfection in sight. The problem has always been that you also can find men wearing that full suit of armor, that geeky scientist like Peter Parker or that battlescarred hero to provide some balance.

With sexualization of women, that's typically all you get. Half the MMOs on the market couldn't even be arsed to give the females some 'real' armor, ugly women are pretty much relegated to villain material (what else are ugly women useful for?) and 'smart' women are typically seen as a perk rather than a given.

But yeah, bring on the gigantic codpieces.

[Salodin]

With sexualization of women, that's typically all you get. Half the MMOs on the market couldn't even be arsed to give the females some 'real' armor, ugly women are pretty much relegated to villain material (what else are ugly women useful for?) and 'smart' women are typically seen as a perk rather than a given.

Most of the guilty video games are aimed at a young male demographic; those that aren't do have quite a variety of women and clothing available assuming it isn't a fantasy setting to begin with where they got tentacles for hair and shit.

[Koul]

That male thong bathing suit thing is the most hideous fucking thing I've ever seen. Not attractive at all. Jock straps on the other hand are sexy as hell.

if you want to see "sexist" portrayal of men. Just google romance novel and voila. I like how all these woman look kinda pathetic on the covers lol they all look lifeless and seem to leave it to the man to be in control. Curious.

also, it's been said a billion times by current feminists. But He-Man and all these men aren't sexualized, they're just male power fantasy. So it's all completely different. derp /anita

[Ksandra]

But yeah, bring on the gigantic codpieces.

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[Galkaeater]

That male thong bathing suit thing is the most hideous fucking thing I've ever seen. Not attractive at all. Jock straps on the other hand are sexy as hell.

if you want to see "sexist" portrayal of men. Just google romance novel and voila. I like how all these woman look kinda pathetic on the covers lol they all look lifeless and seem to leave it to the man to be in control. Curious.

also, it's been said a billion times by current feminists. But He-Man and all these men aren't sexualized, they're just male power fantasy. So it's all completely different. derp /anita

not quite as good looking as david bowie

[Cream Soda]

I'll just leave this here

[Cantih]

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[Khajit]

The Hawkeye intiative is stupid for several reasons.
A)Sexualizing men the same way as women does not involve doing the exact same pose. It just makes hawkeye or whomever is the male subject look weird unless you're specifically into that.
B) Doing the stuff in the pictures actually fits hawkeye's personality. In the very picture that "inspired" the initiative Hawkeye was in a "calm tactical pose" while Natasha was acrobatic. The initiative started off going on about this that and the other when the real problem with the picture was that pose swapping the two would have put them perfectly in character as the original picture was not the way they'd act. Hawkeye's origin was that he was a kid that ran away to join the circus and he's a bit of a showboat. Putting Hawkeye in a pair of panties doing a midair plié as he suggestively shoots arrows at a target is not an example of how horribly women must be sexualized. It's one of many end results of a drunken bet between him and Hercules (or Thor), alcohol is not actually required to begin with, and it's entirely in character.
C) The entire aesthetic is based on circus strongmen from the 90s. The only reason men wear more "tacticool" stuff now is sometime during the extreeeeme 90's people suddenly decided the men looked silly.
D) The women look like they're just wearing body paint? Have you considered noticing that the men do too? It's a common industry trick to just draw a naked body and fill in the colours to save time as figuring out how to make the clothes hang naturally can take alot of time during action scenes in an industry full of deadlines.

Now as for the spider-woman thing. You can have some long drawn out argument and so on about society and blah blah blah. Or you could take 5 seconds and notice she was drawn in a pose spider-man is commonly drawn in. Sometimes it's just a person with spider powers crawling up from a roof. Also spider-man is no stranger to his butt being accentuated. Generally not by design so much as the fact that human beings have butts.

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For YOU Kuya

Or Dick Grayson whom has been raped by a female writer's self insert which apparently means empowerment for women somehow.

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Or Hal Jordan the eternally sexually harassed. Every single male and female villain in some way shape or form barely hides the urge to molest him. If anything the men are the ones who need to be complaining about objectification considering how often they get raped.
Or the time Kyle Raynor got hit with a date rape drug and raped in Gotham? His vague memories of it he can't understand and general dislike of Gotham that he can't explain is played for laughs.
If anything men should be clamouring against how commonplace rape against them is depicted as nothing to be concerned about.
The only time a male got raped and it was played for something other than comedy that I can remember was in Deadpool.
As far as men totally aren't sexualized goes?

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Amazing how similar the two pictures are. It's apparently a male power fantasy not attractive to women at all in comics but in literature dedicated to smut it's the most common physique

Now there are legitimate problems in comics but that tends to go out the window for declaring people sexist pigs. A better use of all that energy would be complaining about Greg Land aka the guy who traces porno for his "art." Comics readers have been complaining for years about that and this whole movement would have been amazing for forcing him to learn to actually draw again (or at least stop using porn for it) but instead we get the current drivel. Spider-woman isn't going to flop because of the controversy. It's going to flop because it not only has one of the worst writers. It's also going to flop because Greg Land is an artist on it. How did people notice the variant cover to miss that the inside of the book is going to be almost completely comprised of traced porn?

To the main point of sexier men. Sure I got no problem with that. It would actually be a time warp to how many costumed heroes used to look.

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Just try and have actually good costumes. I object to most of that junk (in hawkeye initiative and similar ) on the grounds that it is entirely unfashionable. They try to make it crude and disgusting to try and prove their point when it's obvious that they're just really bad fashion designers, cherry picking awful art everyone wishes never existed or purposefully making it bad.( I'm looking at you whomever made that spider-man picture with the floppy wiener. That was entirely inappropriate and not an analogue to the picture at all unless it retroactively change into one of spider-man's other classic poses + a camel toe. It doesn't prove the manara picture inappropriate. it proves you need to get back to writing game of thrones.)
I sadly can't find a nice beefcake picture of the whole justice league i could i could have sworn should be in my cosplay folders for Kuya to show as an example but I can at least give you this.

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This is a great design and is much better than the crap I end up seeing thrown around as a false equivalent to the boobhole on powergirl. This would be an excellent costume to see in comics.
Stop worrying about silly things and start petitioning for Marvel to bring back the swimsuit issues so that you can see Captain America draped in the red white and blue for you.

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If this is what they made in the 90's think about what they can do for you now.

Bring on your shirtless thors(already happened and is happening again), cris evans clones, Supermen with smouldering blue eyes, shirtless and in tight leather(as is happening right now) and all of that stuff. People were fine with it for 40+ years so I don't see why it's supposed to be a problem now. Colossus's main reason for existing was for his costume to be damaged so that he'd be naked when he gets out of his metal form. Hell that stuff still happens now. The idea of compromising implies there's even a battle against it in the first place.

[NynJa]

Codpiece?
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[Kuya]

I gotta go to sleep soon so I can't comment more, but I approve of that cosplay Khajit. Especially one on the far right.

[Ksandra]

I clearly think the solution is more hot guys doing cosplay. yes.....

[Aristio]

also, it's been said a billion times by current feminists. But He-Man and all these men aren't sexualized, they're just male power fantasy. So it's all completely different. derp /anita

I would assume many women find powerful men attractive. Thus the male power fantasy derives its roots in what female find attractive, because men want to be attractive to women. Or at least, what women in that medium are showing to be attracted to.

[Koul]

I would assume many women find powerful men attractive. Thus the male power fantasy derives its roots in what female find attractive, because men want to be attractive to women. Or at least, what women in that medium are showing to be attracted to.

But that would mean woman put unrealistic standards of beauty/attractiveness on men which completely demeans their whole "men are the cause of everything terrible ever" blather. In regards to extreme feminism.