Thread: Patch 2.4 Notes (Full Release) 10/27/2014    

Rich, solo party finder for second coil.

T9 should be pretty quick for nexus lights. Assuming you don't have a group of potato dps you should be able to push nael by or before 3rd meteor. You could probably kill him before second set of dive bombs in last phase.

Those nerfs are ridiculous, they may as well just give out the gear lol.

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Exactly. Who gives a flying fuck how easy old gear is to attain? in case people missed it there's a new patch with new gear that's better than the old stuff. And guess what, this fancy patch has been out for three weeks now.

Since the new gear is better, what's the point in trivializing SCOB? Making players learn to play better is far more beneficial to them than easy access to outdated gear.

They should have gradually toned down mechanics as echo increased over time, not just immediately made the majority of them pointless

Well, some people are beyond help ;( Playing since 2.0 and not having cleared T5 yet for example.

^This is where I am right now as well. I'm kind of upset that once I do start doing Coil (probably soon) it will not be challenging like it was for others who jumped on it right away - I hate handicaps and the act of dumbing down content to cater to bad/lazy players. That kind of tactic by SE will never encourage people to play better.

But I can also understand the argument that there's little reason to keep it difficult when the drops aren't relevant anymore. Either way, I wish they didn't nerf any content just for the sake of letting bad players pass more easily, regardless of what the rewards are for running the content.

Originally Posted by Jem

Since the new gear is better, what's the point in trivializing SCOB?

Best answer? So we can carry people through easily for the quick 100 sol bonus.

I saw a PF up last night that basically said "Giving free T5 carries, we just want your soldiery bonus for being new."

Originally Posted by Jem

Since the new gear is better, what's the point in trivializing SCOB? Making players learn to play better is far more beneficial to them than easy access to outdated gear.

it's "new content" for the people that haven't cleared it yet. and it's "new content" that they would actually want to do since now they actually have a chance.

there's a certain population of people that you can't make them learn to play better, there's a ceiling to how much wiping they will do before they ignore the content altogether.

What's the point of trivializing content?

1. They want all the people who to be able to try out this new content when they couldn't before. This change was made for casual players. This entire game is made for casual players. Opening the floodgates lets these players experience the "new content" as mentioned above.

2. And i agree again with layoneil: you can't make people learn to play better. Some people can figure this shit out and are in the .001% who can beat the game within days of it coming out. And there are others who've been at this for a year and are still trying to beat divebombs in turn 5. But what the devs can do is lighten the restrictions so people who are in the lower-end of the ability spectrum can finally access this new stuff. And it keeps them playing and it keeps the money going into SE's pockets.

3. As a corollary I don't care how good these players need to be or how much this will "train" them to be better. You either have it in you or you don't, and if you do you're already well past this anyway barring very bad luck. And conversely the players with the slowest learning curves won't be very good no matter how much fight experience they attain. Furthermore, some of them will actually be able to improve cause there's no more shitty ass pass/fail mechanics to grind their motivation into the dirt.

btw i have zero interest in how good the playerbase becomes or teaching them to be better. But if it really matters, these players will hit a huge roadblock in t9 and the opportunity for something quite challenging to work on and help improve themselves is still there.

My point is that there are more than options than old SCOB and hideously easy. Just like they phase in echo boosts, they should have phased in easing of mechanics. Tossing them all out of the window on day 1 of nerfing is stupid.

The nerfs in place now should have been the level of nerfs applied once full echo is implemented, not when we're at the lowest level of echo. It's not like the applied this heavy a nerf to challenging content previously